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UK: Three WHAT? under arrest for butchering yet ANOTHER Brit soldier in the street?
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How can this be?
http://www.wirralg..._in_street_attack/
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There is nothing in the article to indicate the religion of the suspects or their motive.




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Yes there is.
Re-read the article.



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died after being attacked in a taxi rank queue

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Speaking of religions of peace, here's a video of Russian Orthodox church members viciously attacking a pro-gay demonstration in Tblisi:





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What's this "Religion of Peace" y'all keep referring to? Other than the Amish, Quakers, JWs, and Jainism I'm pretty sure there aren't any. And I'm not really positive about them...



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Speaking of religions of peace, here's a video of Russian Orthodox church members viciously attacking a pro-gay demonstration in Tblisi:




Why is it that the go to retort to somebody pointing out yet another instance of the widespread Islam motivated violence towards westerners always countered with a cop out deflection of "Well look, these Christians here did bad shit too"?



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Why is it that the go to retort to somebody pointing out yet another instance of the widespread Islam motivated violence towards westerners always countered with a cop out deflection of "Well look, these Christians here did bad shit too"?


Because the implication is often that one religious group has a greater propensity for violence than another, yet that is not necessarily the case.



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Because the implication is often that one religious group has a greater propensity for violence than another, yet that is not necessarily the case.


See, the thing about that is, you can always find Christians in some corner of the world doing some bad shit because of their religion. Now, with Islam, on a daily basis I can find multiple incidents of horrific religious violence occurring in the Muslim world. I also do not see too many Christians bombing buses in Spain, raping everybody in Norway, or hacking soldiers heads off in the UK.

We both know that in the west Christians can at times be big meanines, but they are with rare exception nonviolent. Call me odd, but when people start bringing their savagery to my doorstep I get wary of it.




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islam LOL





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See, the thing about that is, you can always find Christians in some corner of the world doing some bad shit because of their religion. Now, with Islam, on a daily basis I can find multiple incidents of horrific religious violence occurring in the Muslim world. I also do not see too many Christians bombing buses in Spain, raping everybody in Norway, or hacking soldiers heads off in the UK.



You can find multiple incidents of horrific religious violence huh? Is that because maybe you rely on media influenced by Judeo-Christian values and organizations? I can watch Islamic news, (or, rather, an objective international publication) and read/watch about Christians in Nigeria and Sierra Leonne murdering Jews, Animists, and Muslims on a daily basis for religious purposes. Or I can read about hard line, bat-shit crazy Christian Norweigans who murder Muslims AND Christians and summer camp because they don't want brown people moving to their country.

It's all about perspective. Consider stepping outside your own and maybe you'll see you're looking at things from a pretty biased outlook.


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You can find multiple incidents of horrific religious violence huh? Is that because maybe you rely on media influenced by Judeo-Christian values and organizations? I can watch Islamic news, (or, rather, an objective international publication) and read/watch about Christians in Nigeria and Sierra Leonne murdering Jews, Animists, and Muslims on a daily basis for religious purposes. Or I can read about hard line, bat-shit crazy Christian Norweigans who murder Muslims AND Christians and summer camp because they don't want brown people moving to their country.

It's all about perspective. Consider stepping outside your own and maybe you'll see you're looking at things from a pretty biased outlook.


No, I get my news from a wide variety of sources and try my best to get the facts and not the biased bullshit. See, the thing is you seem to think you are getting objective news, but it you are honestly under the impression that Christians are massacring everybody in Nigeria you are out off your mind. Christians in Nigeria have long been the target of violence, and increasingly so in the last decade. Much of this comes from conflict as herders from the Muslim north move south, populated by Christian farmers, as the desert continues to claim former grazing lands. Oh yeah, and that whole radically Islamic militia Boko Haram, with a mission to destroy all things western leading a massive insurgency in the north. Speaking of murdering Christian AND Muslims, they do that and quite often. This is an ongoing and regular occurrence. Lets contrast that with the actions of the madman Breivik.

Breivik was a Christian terrorist, and you know of that event and his name because that sort of violence, Western Christians massacring people for religious reasons, is extraordinarily rare. That is why what Breivik did was so shocking and was all over the international news while the massacre of 42 children at a Nigerian school this past July by Boko Haram didn't get any real coverage. Neither did their more recent massacre of 44 Muslims at a mosque. Islam has a large radical portion to it, while Christianity generally does not, especially in the west. Increasingly this violent form of Islam has been showing up in the west and that is the problem. Muslim immigrants who refuse to accept their host countries culture, and instead demand that the country changes to accommodate them, using violence to further this goal.

Nobody would care that third world Muslims moved to Europe if so many of them did not insist of importing the third world with them. If they didn't have cartoonists fearing for their lives, soldiers laying in the street beheaded, and women in Oslo dying their hair black to appeal less to immigrant rapists nobody would care. As much as you want to pretend it is a simple issue those damned white people being racist and not wanting "brown people moving to their country", really it is that they don't want crime and violence moving to their country. They live in generally secular nations with high standards of living and their own cultures.

The vast majority of Muslims are fine people who wouldn't think to harm another over a disagreement, of course. But a very troubling number of them are very violent and have no problem using violence against others in the name of their religion.





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Nobody would care that third world Muslims moved to Europe if so many of them did not insist of importing the third world with them.



You just proved my point, thanks. "Western" Christians don't commit religious violence as often because they live in a first world nation where they aren't victims of constant political violence, suffering from food shortages, and have access to basic education and healthcare. They don't need to use violence to solve issues because they are institutions in place to resolve issues. These people who are committing violence come from violent places where brutality is the norm, not the exception. As you said yourself, they import the culture they came from --- which is largely rooted in conflict, suffering, and ethnic strife.

For every "Islamic-inspired" beheading around the world, fifty Americans kill their own child through neglect or abuse. I know you're a bright guy Soldat, but you really gotta start reading some other shit man, you're really bumming me out.



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You just proved my point, thanks. "Western" Christians don't commit religious violence as often because they live in a first world nation where they aren't victims of constant political violence, suffering from food shortages, and have access to basic education and healthcare. They don't need to use violence to solve issues because they are institutions in place to resolve issues. These people who are committing violence come from violent places where brutality is the norm, not the exception. As you said yourself, they import the culture they came from --- which is largely rooted in conflict, suffering, and ethnic strife.


So your point is that they come from backwards and violent theocratic shit holes so when they bring that violence to peaceful countries we should just take it because they are products of their environment and culture? If that is your point that is crazy.

They move to the first world, where people have worked very hard to end political violence, food shortages, give all political representation, and provide to all basic education and healthcare. They get all of these privileges western culture has come to provide through design. They have chosen to come to the west likely for these reasons and to escape the problems of their home countries. They lack a reason to continue to murder people for political and religious reasons.

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For every "Islamic-inspired" beheading around the world, fifty Americans kill their own child through neglect or abuse.


Wat?





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That second part was an exaggeration. ~1,500 children died in 2005 due to an abuse/neglect related incident (or series of incidents), and approximately 60% of child abuse-related deaths are not reported as such. 2 people were killed by "terrorists" in the USA in the same year, four times as many people died from "rogue vending machines" and 750 times as many children were killed as a result of neglect or abuse.

The point I'm trying to get at is, if you're scared by Islamic terrorists then really, you should probably move into in a germ-free bubble. Statistically, your own parents (for example) are WAY more likely to kill you than an Islamic radical.

I read examples of Christians committing acts of violence every day, just like you do. People in general need to stop living in a dream world and realize people are fucking violent by nature, and EVERY religion commits acts of violence, yes, even Buddhists. Religion inspires people to do crazy shit, I get it. Stop suggesting Islam is somehow barbaric and third world because some of its crazier adherents commit acts of violence; cause fuck --- Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Pagans, Hindus, and members of every major religion that EVER existed have committed a barbaric act of violence in the name of their religion and every major religion will continue to do so. It's human.

Islam is experiencing some serious fragmentation due to the internet and other shit that is causing uber-conservative forces to mobilize against technology and globalization. Some are freaking out and think radicalism and "jihad" is somehow the answer, I get how that's fucked up, and yes, it can lead to some stupid people doing crazy shit --- but a few crazy people doing stupid shit doesn't define a religion these days. Just how some crazy fucked up Catholic priests touching little boy dongs doesn't define Christianity as a religion of little-boy butt-fuckers.

EDIT: But if we do want to judge a 1,500 year old religion and its traditions based on the actions of a tiny minority who commit random acts of violence and honor killings, then honestly, it's better than being known for fucking little boys.


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That second part was an exaggeration. ~1,500 children died in 2005 due to an abuse/neglect related incident (or series of incidents), and approximately 60% of child abuse-related deaths are not reported as such. 2 people were killed by "terrorists" in the USA in the same year, four times as many people died from "rogue vending machines" and 750 times as many children were killed as a result of neglect or abuse.

The point I'm trying to get at is, if you're scared by Islamic terrorists then really, you should probably move into in a germ-free bubble. Statistically, your own parents (for example) are WAY more likely to kill you than an Islamic radical.


How many American's were killed by Islamic extremists in 2001 in the USA?

I am not scared of Islamic terrorists, but I am also not willfully ignorant in some quest to be tolerant of the religions propensity to fuel violence towards the west, or violence in general. Its not just about me, I am fine, it is about women who get gang raped and then executed because they got raped, it is about Mosques of peaceful Muslims getting massacred by violent Muslims for not being extreme enough. It is about a culture that abounds in violence demanding Europe change and conform to their way of thinking and doing things.

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I read examples of Christians committing acts of violence every day, just like you do. People in general need to stop living in a dream world and realize people are fucking violent by nature, and EVERY religion commits acts of violence, yes, even Buddhists. Religion inspires people to do crazy shit, I get it. Stop suggesting Islam is somehow barbaric and third world because some of its crazier adherents commit acts of violence; cause fuck --- Christians, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Pagans, Hindus, and members of every major religion that EVER existed have committed a barbaric act of violence in the name of their religion and every major religion will continue to do so. It's human.


Sorry, the type of Islam coming over to Europe in bulk, the type that is driving men to decapitate people and rape women is barbaric and third world. You know why? It is because they are coming from the third world and bringing their savagery with them. The Middle East has not seriously advanced in culture since the middle ages because they were a useless Ottoman desert until after WWI when oil began to matter. The West has advanced and evolved. The Pope is not out there mounting crusades anymore or burning witches.

You can play the "is a a minority" out there killing people game, but I can also point out that during the Crusades it was also a small minority of Christians marching on Jerusalem, and that was 1000 years ago, while Islamic extremism is a big thing NOW.

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Islam is experiencing some serious fragmentation due to the internet and other shit that is causing uber-conservative forces to mobilize against technology and globalization. Some are freaking out and think radicalism and "jihad" is somehow the answer, I get how that's fucked up, and yes, it can lead to some stupid people doing crazy shit --- but a few crazy people doing stupid shit doesn't define a religion these days. Just how some crazy fucked up Catholic priests touching little boy dongs doesn't define Christianity as a religion of little-boy butt-fuckers. boys.


A few stupid people doing crazy shit describes the Westboro Baptist Church, or Andres Breivik, or some other fringe nuts. Do you actually understand that there are massive populations of radical muslims. There are various international organizations which preach a very radical anti-western islam. If it were "a few nuts" the Taliban would not have ruled Afghanistan for 20 years and still be strong today after ten years of war. If it was "a few stupid people doing crazy shit" Al-Quaeda would not be capable of operating on dozens of countries and mounting attacks. There would not be an insurgency in Nigeria that has the government shitting itself.

It is not a few people doing crazy shit.

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EDIT: I have not problem with Islam at its principals. I have no problem with Muslims and most people who practice Islam. I am trying to point at that violent and radical Islam is not some super rare occurrence.


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EDIT: I have not problem with Islam at its principals. I have no problem with Muslims and most people who practice Islam. I am trying to point at that violent and radical Islam is not some super rare occurrence.


I wonder, though, how much of that is theological and how much is political. I think the radicals use Islam as more of a rallying point to achieve political ends. Michael Scheuer's book about Osama bin Laden, for example, paints him as not particularly religious.



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All religion is primarily a tool of manipulation to achieve money and/or power for a select few. Catholicism had a virtual monopoly on it for centuries. Islam became the new hotness about 150 years ago, and is just coming into its own.

But the religion itself has nothing to do with it.



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So now that we reached the this enlightenment that people use religion as a tool for group mobilization towards economic and political ends, something I stated in just about every "religion is evil and Christians are bad" thread here to no avail, can we get back to the part where right now Islam is the religion of choice for organized violence across the world.





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Islam is the religion of choice for organized violence across the world.



Hard to argue against that statement.

I know that you have said things like "The vast majority of Muslims are fine people," and I assume that you aren't lying about believing this, but the way that you present your points most of the times comes across as an indictment of all Muslims, and sounds like affirmations of the crazies yelling about Muslims being evil.

And honestly, that bristles me almost as much as the other common and incorrect assumption that people have that all Christians are good people. It's not political correctness, it's more like Aspy attention to bad categorization skills.




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