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 Send4Help
     
Location: A biology lab far, far away...
Gender: Male
No time for the old in-out, love.
 |  | Real Asbestos Lung
< on 11/8/2011 11:38 PM >
|  | | | So, in my line of work I see some interesting things. Today I was working with a cadaver's lungs. This particular cadaver died from cancer directly due to asbestos exposure from a building he worked in. After sectioning the lung into 1/2" slices, they are placed in formaldehyde and bagged. Here is one:
Just remember that this guy only worked in an office building that wasn't abated; he wasn't army crawling through hospital tunnels, kicking up dust in attics, or riding Raptor Jesus down asylum hallways...
Just sayin.
-S4H
The Durango '95 purred away a real horrowshow - a nice, warm vibraty feeling all through your guttiwuts. And soon it was trees and dark, my brothers, with real country dark. |
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HagensborgViking
 
Location: Fernwood, Victoria
Gender: Male
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 1 on 11/9/2011 12:08 AM >
| | | | Posted by Send4Help
This particular cadaver died from cancer directly due to asbestos exposure from a building he worked in. |
In construction or something right? Because asbestos poses no risk if not tampered with, like in a wall's insulation, or in plaster / drywall that's been painted, or on those shitty 50's shingles that cover so many old house exteriors... All that shit is only a problem if it's broken apart or sanded, and their particles become airborn... right?
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Send4Help
Location: A biology lab far, far away...
Gender: Male
No time for the old in-out, love.
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 2 on 11/9/2011 12:13 AM >
| | | | Posted by HagensborgViking
In construction or something right? Because asbestos poses no risk if not tampered with, like in a wall's insulation, or in plaster / drywall that's been painted, or on those shitty 50's shingles that cover so many old house exteriors... All that shit is only a problem if it's broken apart or sanded, and their particles become airborn... right?
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From my understanding he was not in that kind of work. It was listed as "Occupational: SL" which means Structure Leaching or Leaking or something like that. Basically means it was in the ducts, tiles, or insulation of the building they worked in.
The Durango '95 purred away a real horrowshow - a nice, warm vibraty feeling all through your guttiwuts. And soon it was trees and dark, my brothers, with real country dark. |
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terapr0
 
Location: Sauga City
Gender: Male
www . tohellandback . net
| |  | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 3 on 11/9/2011 12:37 AM >
| | | | I shudder to think what years of smoking, exploring and working in a mfg plant that specializes in welding and laser cutting steel & aluminum has done to my lungs. When I get sick and cough up phloem, its black...and I'm only 25 :\
quit smoking 1 week ago...maybe there's still hope yet
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rob.i.am
 
Gender: Male
Carpe noctum
| | | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 4 on 11/9/2011 12:40 AM >
|  | | | Posted by terapr0
I shudder to think what years of smoking, exploring and working in a mfg plant that specializes in welding and laser cutting steel & aluminum has done to my lungs. When I get sick and cough up phloem, its black...and I'm only 25 :\
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And don't forget the hours you've spent swimming in raw sewage.
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HagensborgViking
Location: Fernwood, Victoria
Gender: Male
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 5 on 11/9/2011 1:41 AM >
| | | | Well at any rate, I'm pretty sure I would cook the shit out of that thing before I dropped the parsley on it.
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angrygocart
Location: Maryland
Gender: Male
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 6 on 11/9/2011 6:51 AM >
| | | | Can you post a picture of a healthy lung that's prepped the same way?
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CatAndTie
Location: Southeastern PA
Gender: Male
LifeInDecay. com
| | | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 7 on 11/9/2011 12:34 PM >
| | | | I'm guessing he might have been some sort of maintenance worker or something at least. I guess there always is a chance of acquiring asbestosis if you work in a building all your life that isn't abated, but I think the chances are slim if you aren't ripping apart the ceiling and piping.
Yeah, we've probably all been in some gross shit while exploring, but I don't think once or twice will develop into anything serious... but I still try to wear a mask when I can.
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore." - Andre Gide |
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CatAndTie
Location: Southeastern PA
Gender: Male
LifeInDecay. com
| | | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 8 on 11/9/2011 12:48 PM >
| | | | http://www.cancer....heet/Risk/asbestos
"If products containing asbestos are disturbed, tiny asbestos fibers are released into the air." Something would have to disrupt the asbestos for it to release into the air.
This site gives some great explanations.
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore." - Andre Gide |
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Send4Help
Location: A biology lab far, far away...
Gender: Male
No time for the old in-out, love.
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 9 on 11/9/2011 2:16 PM >
| | | | Posted by angrygocart
Can you post a picture of a healthy lung that's prepped the same way?
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Sure, I will see if we still have the samples in the lab, they may have been sent out already though... Stay tuned
Posted by CatAndTie
"If products containing asbestos are disturbed, tiny asbestos fibers are released into the air." Something would have to disrupt the asbestos for it to release into the air.
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You are correct. However, if the fibers were in the floor tiles, duct work for HVAC, or even if the building was just overly active, it would get more than enough fiber to cause a reaction (Even more so if he worked there for years). But, just like National Toxicology Program's 2009 publication says, "Overall evidence suggests there is absolutely no safe level of asbestos exposure for humans."
[last edit 11/9/2011 2:26 PM by Send4Help - edited 1 times]
The Durango '95 purred away a real horrowshow - a nice, warm vibraty feeling all through your guttiwuts. And soon it was trees and dark, my brothers, with real country dark. |
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CatAndTie
Location: Southeastern PA
Gender: Male
LifeInDecay. com
| | | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 10 on 11/9/2011 2:52 PM >
| | | | Posted by Send4Help
"Overall evidence suggests there is absolutely no safe level of asbestos exposure for humans."
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Haha, yeah I did read that part, too, when earlier in the article they say everyone at some point is breathing in asbestos in the air, soil, water, etc. In the end, the more exposure you have, the more likely you are to get sick from it.
Take precautions and at least wear a mask when going through tunnels and basements. You might be better off in open rooms with ventilation, but as Send4Help has expressed, there is no safe level of asbestos. I don't think it's easy to contract a lethal or sickening amount, but I go the route "better safe than sorry".
"Man cannot discover new oceans unless he has the courage to lose sight of the shore." - Andre Gide |
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HagensborgViking
Location: Fernwood, Victoria
Gender: Male
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 11 on 11/9/2011 4:31 PM >
| | | | Posted by Send4Help
Overall evidence suggests there is absolutely no safe level of asbestos exposure for humans.
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Technically untrue, as asbestos is a naturally occurring ore and can be found in the air, soil, and even leaching into our water supplies. These instances of asbestos exposure are considered negligible levels. Not really on topic though, as this thread is based on exposure levels created by man.
On that note, however, it should be mentioned that the amount of asbestos in a product does not indicate it's danger level and, if the asbestos fibres are enclosed or tightly bound in a compound, there is "no significant health risk". One of the biggest problems with asbestos comes from sprayed or "friable" (easily broken up) amphibole asbestos used in buildings until the 1970s. People working in construction, maintenance or in the renovation of older buildings should be particularly careful when handling this type of asbestos.
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shadowedsmile
Location: Northwestern Ontario
Gender: Female
mines always on the mind
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 12 on 11/10/2011 12:29 AM >
| | | | Posted by terapr0
I shudder to think what years of smoking, exploring and working in a mfg plant that specializes in welding and laser cutting steel & aluminum has done to my lungs. When I get sick and cough up phloem, its black...and I'm only 25 :\
quit smoking 1 week ago...maybe there's still hope yet
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You'll feel better once your body clears all that nastiness out! That's so great you quit...I never thought I'd see the day I could quit smoking but I did a year and a half ago after smoking for 8 years 
Good for you!!
"Adventure is the respectful pursuit of trouble." - Expedition Overland |
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L'Ali
Location: Clarington
Gender: Female
Behind every damsel is a fire breathing dragon
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 13 on 11/10/2011 3:52 AM >
| | | | Interesting. There are a few medical stock photography sites that would show you samples of a healthy lung for comparison such as Custom Medical Stock.
Anyone ever go to see Bodies the exhibition before (http://www.bodiestheexhibition.com/)? If you want to see different body parts suffering from different ailments, or those in perfect form, this is the place to go. Coal miners lung, smokers lung, very nasty.
Posted by terapr0
quit smoking 1 week ago...maybe there's still hope yet |
Congrats! It is one of the hardest things to do ever, believe me I speak from experience. Even within hours your lungs start repairing themselves. If you fall off the wagon, just never stop trying to quit
LOL @ Rob...
Everything is sweetened by risk.
-- Alexander Smith
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AvsFreak
Location: Colorado
Gender: Male
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 14 on 11/14/2011 2:26 PM >
| | | | Posted by rob.i.am
And don't forget the hours you've spent swimming in raw sewage.
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ervanalb
Location: Cambridge, MA
Gender: Male
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 15 on 11/14/2011 5:13 PM >
| | | | "Most people do not become ill from the asbestos they are exposed to. Asbestos exposure becomes a health concern when high concentrations of asbestos fibers are inhaled over a long time period. People who become ill from asbestos are almost always those who are exposed on a day-to-day basis in a job where they work directly with the material. As a person's exposure to fibers increases, either by breathing more fibers or by breathing fibers for a longer time, that person's risk of disease also increases. It can take anywhere from 10 to 40 years for someone to develop an asbestos-related illness after their exposure. Disease is very unlikely to result from a single, high-level exposure, or from a short period of exposure to lower levels."
http://web.archive...res/20010916a.html
That being said, it's important to remember that cancer from asbestos is a stochastic process.
I live in a room with an asbestos tile floor. I've played with the blocks of asbestos holding up the buildings I work in. I've climbed on asbestos-insulated pipes. But the only time I was ever concerned was when I crawled through a narrow tunnel not meant for human passage, knocking off chunks of asbestos insulation from a steam pipe and sending clouds of it into the air. I'm fairly certain that this kind of exposure is many orders of magnitude greater than my daily exposure, and that it is what the above quote refers to as "high-level exposure".
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if you've experienced high-level exposure, you'll realize it. If it's at all questionable, you probably haven't.
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hydrotherapy
Clever Girl
Location: Circle of Least Confusion
RPS is inside all of us
| | | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 16 on 11/14/2011 5:43 PM >
| | | | Posted by Send4Help
or riding Raptor Jesus down asylum hallways...
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But this is all I have in life!
Get down, girl, go 'head, get down. |
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Send4Help
Location: A biology lab far, far away...
Gender: Male
No time for the old in-out, love.
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 17 on 11/14/2011 9:38 PM >
| | | | Posted by ervanalb
" It can take anywhere from 10 to 40 years for someone to develop an asbestos-related illness after their exposure. Disease is very unlikely to result from a single, high-level exposure, or from a short period of exposure to lower levels."
Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if you've experienced high-level exposure, you'll realize it. If it's at all questionable, you probably haven't.
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Well, I am going to have to completely disagree with you there for several reasons. I am not trying to warn everyone of their eventual and certain death from exposure, but I am trying to clarify how dangerous this stiff is. Though it might not kill you, you should still be aware of it.
Your article that was cited is more than 10years old, which is the first problem. Most everything we know about asbestos pertaining to disease state and progression was from certain advancements in immunohistochemistry and molecular biology/genetics techniques. Much like, say cancer in general, we knew it was bad for a long time, but we are just now starting to figure out how it works.
But, using the article that you cited I want to clarify that the statement, "Disease is very unlikely to result from a single, high-level exposure, or from a short period of exposure to lower levels" is not at all describing the conditions that one could face in a derelict building. If you do it once, it may count as your "single high-level exposure" but after repeated times it adds up.
After doing further research into what I can/cant say about patient samples I get in my lab, I can tell you this about the above pictured lung:
"Patient was 65 years of age, retired 5 years, physically active, exposure was occupational resulting from asbestos leaching from an Excelon Vinyl Asbestos Tile installed in June 1960 at patients place of office." "High foot traffic and low ventilation resulted with intake of asbestos over a 20 year period at low levels (10million fibers/liter air)"
Now keep in mind that in the US the drinking water can not go over 7 million fibers of asbestos per liquid liter. In all fairness most places are usually running >1 million fibers/Liter...
My final though is on the statement, "Basically, what I'm trying to say is that if you've experienced high-level exposure, you'll realize it. If it's at all questionable, you probably haven't." Unless you have some undiscovered nerve endings inside your lungs that no one else has, this is very untrue and dangerous to say. There is no way you could realize the dangers your body is going through. Most people dont discover the problem until it is too late and they are already in the mid to late stages of cancer.
Enough of my rant. You can PM me if you want to go into more about it ervanalb.
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The Durango '95 purred away a real horrowshow - a nice, warm vibraty feeling all through your guttiwuts. And soon it was trees and dark, my brothers, with real country dark. |
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TicTac
Location: Philly
Gender: Male
| | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 18 on 11/14/2011 9:39 PM >
| | | | This is why I <3 my P100 filters
The Viaduct runs through the Callowhill Loft District, which is overrun with hipsters. This is just another one of those things a hipster would probably do.
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Louie
| | | Re: Real Asbestos Lung
<Reply # 19 on 11/15/2011 6:12 AM >
| | | | Posted by Send4Help
Now keep in mind that in the US the drinking water can not go over 7 million fibers of asbestos per liquid liter. In all fairness most places are usually running >1 million fibers/Liter
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[last edit 11/15/2011 6:12 AM by Louie - edited 1 times]
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