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UER Forum > Archived US: Pacific Southwest > After the Ice Age (Viewed 7076 times)
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After the Ice Age
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1940 November - This place "Debuts" this place opens with a "high society" party sponsored by the Junior League of Oakland. Men in tuxedos and women in formal gowns [which were described in much detail in the Oakland Tribune article of the time] all gathered at this place to see the biggest ice show of the year.

1944 Maribel Vinson-Owen begins coaching at this place Maribel Vinson-Owen, nine-time U.S. Womens Figure Skating Champion, two-time inductee in the Figure Skating Hall of Fame (both singles and doubles), coach for the U.S. teams at the World Figure Skating Championships, and the first woman sports writer for the New York Times, began her coaching career at this place in 1944. As quoted in Wikipedia (and supported by the memory of skaters who were there) "... Following her retirement from amateur ice skating she married Canadian skater Guy Owen with whom she toured as professionals in an ice skating review. Initially based in Hippyville, California, following the birth of their two daughters: Maribel Yerxa Owen (born 1940) and Laurence Richon Owen (born 1944), she returned to the rink as an ice-skating coach..." She left this place to pursue her sports writing career at the New York Times.

1947 U.S. National Figure Skating Championships

The first National Skating Championships held West of the Mississippi River. And the winners were:

1947 Ladies Mens Pairs
Gold Gretchen Merrill Richard Button Yvonne Sherman
Robert Swenning
Silver Janette Ahrens John Lettengarver Karol Kennedy
Peter Kennedy
Bronze Eileen Seigh James Grega Carol Welch
Charles Birnham

1956 Frank Zamboni begins purchase of this place, Inc. In 1956, Frank Zamboni began purchasing shares in a troubled this place and became the manager of this place. Mr. Zamboni was the inventor of the ice surfacing machines which bear his name and founder of the Frank J. Zamboni Co., Inc., the largest supplier of the machines. Under the leadership of Mr. Zamboni and his hand-picked replacement, Bob Skrak. Their actions lead to a second renaissance of ice skating in Hippyville and a relationship between the Zamboni's and this place which lasted over 50 years.

1957 U.S. Nation Figure Skating Championships

this place's second round at hosting the National Skating Championships. And the results were:
1957 Ladies Mens Pairs
Gold Carol Heill David Jenkins Nancy Rouillard
Ronald Luddington
Silver Joan Shenke Tim Brown Mary J. Watson
John Jarmon
Bronze Charalynn Lewis Tom Moore Anita Tefkin
James Barlow

1960 - Practice ice for Squaw Valley Olympics this place was a practice site for many of the participants and teams participating in the 1960 Winter Olympic Games at Squaw Valley. This lead to a significant increase in interest in skating in general and at the this place in particular.

1966 U.S. National Figure Skating Championships

This place's third, and last, time hosting the National Skating Championships. And the results were:
1966 Ladies Mens Pairs
Gold Peggy Fleming Scott Allen Cynthia Kauffman
Roger Kauffman
Silver Albertina Noyes Thomas Litz Susan Berens
Roy Wagelem
Bronze Patricia Scheider Billy Chapel Page Paulsen
Larry Dulsch


1970s - Official Practice Ice for the California Golden Seals During the 1970's, this place was the official practice ice for the ill fated California Golden Seals team of the NHL. While the team never had a winning season, they were interesting to watch and included a number of excellent players, they did not establish a big enough fan base to be financially successful. After nine years in the Bay Area, the Seals moved to Cleveland where they played as the Cleveland Barons for two seasons.

1994 this place used for US Mens Olympic Hockey Team practice ice this place was used as the practice ice for the US Mens Olympic Hockey Team bound for the 1994 Winter Olympic games at Lillehammer, Norway. The team was eliminated by the team from Finland (who won the Bronze Medal) in the second round.

2003-2007 - The Demise of this place

In June of 2003, this place was installing new manifolds in it's refrigeration equipment as part of it's effort to comply with a Hippyville inspection report. To accomplish this, the cooler had to be emptied of ammonia, the refrigerant for the rink's ice maker. To accomplish this, the facility has two capture vessels built into the system, one to hold 600 lb. and one 2066 lb. The equipment is over 60 years old but well maintained and safe to use as long as it's integrity was maintained.

Because of it's age, details of the equipment and the process flow has been lost so details of the system can only be assessed from outside. The cooler itself was over sized for the duty it was doing; one theory is that it was a cooler that W. A. Bechtel - the builder of this place - had used at Hoover Dam to cure concrete in the building of the dam, which was also a Bechtel project underway during the same period.

Prior to the installation of the new manifold, the rink had been reporting 600-750 lb of ammonia in the system. This is what the managers for decades had believed and reported to the city. When a release seal on one of the containment vessels vented ammonia, indicating that it was over capacity, the management was surprised and stopped the transfer. The total capacity of the two capture vessels was 2,666 lb so 750 lb of ammonia should have had no problem fitting in them. The ammonia that was vented was immediately detected at the fire station across the street from this place and firefighters were sent to investigate.

This place's management made a full report of what happened and cooperated with the city in determining why it happened. The rink management hired an outside engineering company to assess the capacity and estimate the actual volume of ammonia in the system. The rink also had the refrigerator accessed for it's integrity. During this period, rink management was in continuous contact with city personnel and raised the concern that they legally needed to make reports which include the amount of ammonia in the system, which they knew was over the previously reported 750 lb., but could not accurately state the volume until their engineer's work was completed. They were told to leave the reported volume as is until a better number was available. When the engineers completed their assessment, the estimate was that as much as 4,000 lbs could be in the system.

When combined with the rink management's inability to provide a plan that would satisfy the City's concerns about safety, monitoring and training for the aging ammonia system, city staff publicly accused this place's management of hiding this fact and ordered them to remove the ammonia within one month - something that would have shut the rink and set a tone for all the subsequent actions. Because the City wanted the rink to continue to operate, they allowed the rink owners time to find a temporary refrigeration system so that a plan to replace the old cooling system could be drawn up.



The time limit to evacuate the ammonia was extended so that the portable refrigeration unit - also an ammonia-based refrigerator that was granted a permit by the fire department and other city agencies - could be driven to Hippyville and installed so that the rink wasn't closed for an extended period in the middle of the hockey and synchronized skating seasons. The owners had committed to the skaters to not interrupt a season already underway - and they kept that commitment. But it had a cost.



The portable unit turned out to be much more expensive than anticipated - on the order of $10,000 per month in higher costs. The combination of this added cost, the now growing cost of replacing the older refrigerator, and an apparent unfriendliness of the Hippyville city government, the majority owners decided that they didn't see how they could continue operating the rink in those conditions. The decision was difficult for them - most have more than 40 years of their lives involved in this place and skating in general - but they felt that they had no choice but to put the rink up for sale. It was a decision that surprised many, including the city, which seemed to be oblivious to the signals that this place's management was giving them.

"this place" & Hippyville are used in place of proper names to help keep out of search sites












So after many trips with friends we have decided to share. Also since it is scrapped & tagged the bad people already are in the know. The first time I scouted it with cowboy, there were several entrances. It has since been buttoned up pretty good. The residences have made several new entrances so you can still find access if you look. Also be respectful as this is their home. It is simi-high risk so all missions were done at night. Hope you like this place as much as us. My pix are the warm up, others have done a much better job of capturing this gem.







































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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 1 on 7/20/2011 9:36 PM >
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i like that last shot. lol.

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 2 on 7/20/2011 9:38 PM >
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Loving the shots, especially the last one. I was just telling Lil Bugsy last night that we need to try and get some more fun shots at each location, you guys always have the great ones!


Edit: Oh and I love the background history on the place. It always makes the shots that much more personal to be able to read about the sites history.
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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 3 on 7/20/2011 9:54 PM >
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I could beat all of you in a slap shot contest....just sayin.

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 4 on 7/20/2011 9:58 PM >
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awesome. I love the old pics you included.

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 5 on 7/20/2011 10:04 PM >
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Your welcome for showing you. And thanks for the history.


If anyone cares like I do u can donate money to get it back to an ice skating rink. I used to go here when I was 13 to meet girls. Its one of the only places that was in berkeley for younger kids to hang out and not get in to trouble. It was a great place and there are so many memories there...


thanks you two for posting this and letting me relive my past...

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 6 on 7/20/2011 10:11 PM >
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Posted by Cowboy
Your welcome for showing you. And thanks for the history.


If anyone cares like I do u can donate money to get it back to an ice skating rink. I used to go here when I was 13 to meet girls. Its one of the only places that was in Hippyville for younger kids to hang out and not get in to trouble. It was a great place and there are so many memories there...


thanks you two for posting this and letting me relive my past...


Must be a bit sad to you to see it in its current state.

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 7 on 7/20/2011 10:14 PM >
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Posted by rescueme1060
I could beat all of you in a slap shot contest....just sayin.


Or maybe just a slappin' contest...*thap thap thap*

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 8 on 7/20/2011 11:15 PM >
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Excellent write up and photos B&C! I love all the history you dug up!

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 9 on 7/21/2011 1:28 AM >
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Posted by bonnie&clyde


Or maybe just a slappin' contest...*thap thap thap*


Im somewhat of a regular at the foster city rink. as well as the redwood city one. pickup games,anyone?

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 10 on 7/21/2011 3:34 AM >
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You guys are awesome.......Loved all the photos, and the history of the place.
It's a sad story, but you tell it well. Thanks.............

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 11 on 7/21/2011 3:44 AM >
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Nice location and historical follow-up.

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 12 on 7/21/2011 4:39 AM >
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Posted by bonnie&clyde


Must be a bit sad to you to see it in its current state.


Ya... So many times i got laid in that place.... ahhhhh just memories now.....

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 13 on 7/21/2011 4:57 AM >
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Thank you cowboy, for sharing this wonderful place! And thank you, B&C for taking us along! It was our first (and second) night infiltration and we had a lot of fun. The historical photos that B&C found are awesome and I really enjoyed seeing those. Thanks you guys!

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 14 on 7/21/2011 1:49 PM >
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excellent post guys! great historic info too. loving this place is an easy thing. nice shots everyone! Alice I really like the B&W's and 7. I'll get some up today.

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 15 on 7/21/2011 3:20 PM >
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5, 9 and 12 have great composition Alice, nicely done.

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Re: After the Ice Age
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Posted by Alice
Excellent write up and photos B&C! I love all the history you dug up!


I lifted the history from the group trying to save this place. The pix from a google image search.

If you are like Cowboy & would like to help them out or just see a bit more about it.

www.saveberkeleyiceland.org


Also, your pix are most excellent. Doctor.

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 17 on 7/21/2011 5:41 PM >
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Brilliance! You did a magnificent job putting this post together, with the old pics and the current day, puts into perspective how cool this place was when it was open. Great job!

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 18 on 7/21/2011 5:57 PM >
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Posted by bonnie&clyde


I lifted the history from the group trying to save this place. The pix from a google image search.

If you are like Cowboy & would like to help them out or just see a bit more about it.

www.saveberkeleyiceland.org


Also, your pix are most excellent. Doctor.


Great research guys!


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Post by decrepitude5, 9 and 12 have great composition Alice, nicely done.


Thank you!! This place was fun!
[last edit 7/21/2011 5:58 PM by Alice - edited 1 times]

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Re: After the Ice Age
<Reply # 19 on 7/21/2011 6:03 PM >
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Thanks so much to all for letting me go. Been wanting to go since the beginning of the end. That was tiz - aight.

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