Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby Jesus is highly respected prophet in the Koran. In fact he is the most quoted prophet in the Koran.

So now you are defending Jesus?

I said Islam didnt acknowledge Him as the mesiah, even after the fact that Jesus said He was the son of God. Why do you think that was left out... So much for respecting the guy, they keep His words but dont believe him... That's another spot where the koran is off.

Posted by maypost I thought Jesus would have wanted you to love all men, regardless if they accepted him. Can some other Christians verify that for me?

Loving men by leading them to God who can give them the love I cant, yes.

God loves you no matter what, Romans 5:8, "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us"

Posted by maypost So that means Mohammed hates the Jews and the Christians because why? Think what you want, but you are WAY off on this one.

Research how and why Islam was written, by Mohammed, and find out the intentions of it.

Posted by Mr_Fiend So now you are defending Jesus? I said Islam didnt acknowledge Him as the mesiah, even after the fact that Jesus said He was the son of God.

I am the son of God. I said so its true. suck on my dick!

time for work. sadly being the messiah doesn't pay the bills. I need to follow the same path as the guy in the book Survivor: A Novel by Chuck Palahniuk did.

Even Jesus was a carpenter. Just being the son of God doesn't mean you can sit on your ass and play Xbox. Still got rent to pay.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby suck on my dick!

And I'm the bad one here.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Research how and why Islam was written, by Mohammed, and find out the intentions of it.

You are the one who said it... Back up your words if you expect us to take them seriously.

You are either VERY mis-informed or racist... possibly both. I don't know.

Posted by Mr_Fiend All of that "evidence" has not said the almighty God does not exist, would you agree? So why should I stop believing in something that cant be disproven. Yes, it cant be proven (satisfactory) with worldy evidence, but some things cant be. Though that remains apparently an opinion among some people.

You can't prove a negative. Science, I believe, takes LaPlace's position: (from Wikipedia) Napolean: 'M. Laplace, they tell me you have written this large book on the system of the universe, and have never even mentioned its Creator.' Laplace, who, though the most supple of politicians, was as stiff as a martyr on every point of his philosophy, drew himself up and answered bluntly, Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là. ("I had no need of that hypothesis.")

The catholic church and other christian based "religions" took that as meaning they should avoid science since its a "temptation". Embrace science. But its my belief that eventually, science will advance to a point where it must acknowledge its limits and know something intelligent place things in motion.

Actually the church was mostly OK with science, except when it contradicted their teachings. They then got mean.

Do you honestly think I would kill people to gain access to heaven, or kill myself while killing others to please God? Really? Come on

No, of course not. But that idea is how people justify religious violence.

Posted by splumer You can't prove a negative. Science, I believe, takes LaPlace's position: (from Wikipedia) Napolean: 'M. Laplace, they tell me you have written this large book on the system of the universe, and have never even mentioned its Creator.' Laplace, who, though the most supple of politicians, was as stiff as a martyr on every point of his philosophy, drew himself up and answered bluntly, Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là. ("I had no need of that hypothesis.")

This debate will never end, so lets agree to disagree, please.

Posted by splumer No, of course not. But that idea is how people justify religious violence.

Everything has its corruption. Its really a question of if the corruption stems from the teachings, or from the heart of man.

Posted by maypost or racist...

Holy shit! Now I'm racist? I disagree with a religion and try to explain how it hates another religion, and I'm racist??? That doesnt even make sense.

All you seem to be able to is name call. I'm a hater, I'm a racist, I'm a something you dont like.

You're starting to show your true colors. Stop with the instigations of false accusations, such as me being a racist.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby this is the last time i talk to you.

Wow. I think I finally understand some of this. I read the above quote and felt the Holy Spirit enter into me. I have faith and will now try to follow this teaching.

From now on, whenever Fiend posts, all of you should simply have faith that I could post something that would absolutely refute everything he says (and there is the added benefit of having ample proof of this), but I shall Live the Word and acknowledge him no more.

God bless us (but not him).

Posted by Mr_Fiend Holy shit! Now I'm racist? I disagree with a religion and try to explain how it hates another religion, and I'm racist??? That doesnt even make sense. All you seem to be able to is name call. I'm a hater, I'm a racist, I'm a something you dont like. You're starting to show your true colors. Stop with the instigations of false accusations, such as me being a racist.

Making false claims about an entire religion and culture is racism where I come from. I also said I don't know if that's the case... Just that it seems that way to me.

So yes, I do stand by my statement. Saying that the sole purpose of a religion is based on hate when that is so far from true could be seen as a racist remark.

Posted by maypost Making false claims about an entire religion and culture is racism where I come from.

You've made false claims about Christianity and its culture, so are you a racist?

I dont want to do this, I'm just making a point. If you drop it, I'll drop it.

Posted by Mr_Fiend You've made false claims about Christianity and its culture, so are you a racist?

When? I honestly do not remember doing this. But I'd love an example.

Posted by Mr_Fiend I dont want to do this, I'm just making a point. If you drop it, I'll drop it.

I will drop it, happily... if you can provide me with the above request.

Posted by Mr_Fiend You've made false claims about Christianity and its culture, so are you a racist? I dont want to do this, I'm just making a point. If you drop it, I'll drop it.

Perhaps the best way to drop it is to stop making posts about it.

What an idea!

Posted by maypost When? I honestly do not remember doing this. But I'd love an example. I will drop it, happily... if you can provide me with the above request.

I'll provide an example, then you'll dispute that, and say I'm wrong or a racist or a hater or something, then we'll argue more, like what has happened all along. No thanks.

So you tried to find where I said anything of the sort, could not find an example so you have none to give...

I can live with that.

Consider it dropped

Wow this thread spun off. My point was that all belief is irrational and the Devine can be experienced but not need be believed in. I don't need to believe in ketchup to enjoy a burger.

Posted by earthworm Wow this thread spun off. My point was that all belief is irrational and the Devine can be experienced but not need be believed in. I don't need to believe in ketchup to enjoy a burger.

you sick bastard... how DARE you put KETCHUP on a perfectly good burger!
heathen!

Posted by Samurai you sick bastard... how DARE you put KETCHUP on a perfectly good burger! heathen!

Wow!

I actually agree with Sam.

The world is coming to an end!

Posted by earthworm Wow this thread spun off. My point was that all belief is irrational and the Devine can be experienced but not need be believed in. I don't need to believe in ketchup to enjoy a burger.

It's people like you that put mayo on prefectly good french fries...

Fuckin' commie.