just bc you atheist are wrong and butthurt about the truth being taught in schools, doesn't mean you have to whine and complain about it. jesus is the teacher for america. those of you who don't believe can enjoy burning in hell. heathens!!!

Posted by MutantMandias But more importantly, they were smart and educated men, who recognized some of the idiocies of religion. That is not what we have today. Now, most politicians are essentially religion whores.

Ya know what!!! I agree with this. "Religion" is a dangerous thing. Its a system of conformity, with pomp and circumstances and traditions. Regardless, there reasons for the rules set in place stemmed from their belief in a creator. And as I said before, the belief in God was a major influence in this country, that is apparent on our currency and government structures. Religion is a secular thing, twisted and conformed to fit the ideals of men and not God.

Hell, even the masons (who also played a major role in the creation and evolution of americas goverment) believe in the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit. Though some of their views are off...

Posted by Mr_Fiend Ya know what!!! I agree with this. "Religion" is a dangerous thing. Its a system of conformity, with pomp and circumstances and traditions. Regardless, there reasons for the rules set in place stemmed from their belief in a creator. And as I said before, the belief in God was a major influence in this country, that is apparent on our currency and government structures. Religion is a secular thing, twisted and conformed to fit the ideals of men and not God. Hell, even the masons (who also played a major role in the creation and evolution of americas goverment) believe in the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit. Though some of their views are off...

I doubt that there is any the masons believe that is much more bizarre and baseless than the idea of the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit.

Posted by MutantMandias I doubt that there is any the masons believe that is much more bizarre and baseless than the idea of the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit.

Freemasons have to say they believe in a higher power. And one, if not several of their symbols represent the trinity.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Freemasons have to say they believe in a higher power. And one, if not several of their symbols represent the trinity.

I know, even though I politely declined my offer to join.

I'm just saying the concept of the trinity is one of the more bizarre bastardizations of religion.

Posted by MutantMandias I know, even though I politely declined my offer to join.

Sorry, can't resist.

But I am forced to call bullshit on that. We NEVER recruit. EVER. It's one of our biggest rules, world wide

Well, it wasn't an outright offer to sign up, but it was strong encouragement from a seemingly elder member for me to seek membership.

Posted by MutantMandias I doubt that there is any the masons believe that is much more bizarre and baseless than the idea of the Father, Son , and Holy Spirit.

If you ever want to off yourself just try reading Morals and Dogma, it'll bore you into a coma from which there is no return.

Posted by jeepdave So you support limiting where science is allowed to look for answers. Ok gotcha.

No testable hypothesis
No peer reviewed papers
No evidence

ID is not science.
That was easy.

Posted by underdark No testable hypothesis No peer reviewed papers No evidence ID is not science. That was easy.

We design biomechanical devices today. Technology will advance.
Peer reviewed papers, depends on who the peers are.
Plenty of evidence, but only if you allow yourself to accept it. Human eye for example.

ID can be science, but only if you are willing to open yourself up to it. Or just keep limiting where science can go, where it can explore. Didn't know you were part of the early church.

Posted by jeepdave Plenty of evidence, but only if you allow yourself to accept it. Human eye for example.

Please explain to me why the human eye is evidence if I am willing to accept it.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Ah ha! No wonder you hate christians.... Easy killer. You do know that we came to america because the english where pursicuting christians. And we came here to have religious freedom. The founding fathers obviously intended God to be in the government, or else they wouldnt have put His name on everything. Christians didnt poke their noeses into the government, they helped form it.

so that means i have to have a god cock stuffed up my ass? eh. wrong. i'm all for persecuting christians... oh yes... let's persecute them all!

Posted by Samurai eh. wrong. i'm all for persecuting christians... oh yes... let's persecute them all!

Maybe you should try forgiving people. It'll lower your blood pressure.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Prayer and God were in public schools at one point. And its real funny, after 1962 when God was banned in public schools, schools progressively went to shit. Now to the point metal detectors are required before you enter classrooms, thats incredible!

So let's bring prayer back. My son's science teacher is from India, so she'll lead us all in a prayer to Vishnu. His 6th grade teacher last year had a pentagram necklace, so she can lead the class in a Wiccan prayer! Do you see the logic? The alleged decline in public schools has nothing to do with God allegedly being "taken out" of them. BTW, you can still pray in public schools. It's not against the law. Never was, never will be.

We design biomechanical devices today. Technology will advance. Peer reviewed papers, depends on who the peers are. Plenty of evidence, but only if you allow yourself to accept it. Human eye for example. ID can be science, but only if you are willing to open yourself up to it. Or just keep limiting where science can go, where it can explore. Didn't know you were part of the early church.

The eye is very easily explained by evolution. Light-sensitive cells, etc. There are creatures now that have less-than-eyes. The "evidence" of ID is just the lack of imagination in some people to make them explore the true cause of something. "Wow, all the planets are round! Must be God who made them all so perfect! OK, case closed!" Do you see the logical fallacy here?

Literally mountains of evidence support evolution, from many different disciplines, and all those disciplines support each other's conclusions. Nothing supports ID except supposition, lack of imagination and deliberate obfuscation.

Posted by Samurai so that means i have to have a god cock stuffed up my ass?

mine is pretty godly ;)

Posted by Mr_Fiend Maybe you should try forgiving people. It'll lower your blood pressure.

not in this lifetime.
not ever.

i don't forgive
and I don't forget... i hold a grudge forever.

Posted by splumer So let's bring prayer back. My son's science teacher is from India, so she'll lead us all in a prayer to Vishnu. His 6th grade teacher last year had a pentagram necklace, so she can lead the class in a Wiccan prayer! Do you see the logic? The alleged decline in public schools has nothing to do with God allegedly being "taken out" of them. BTW, you can still pray in public schools. It's not against the law. Never was, never will be.

I said God, not "Vishnu". That bill specifically targeted Christianity. God WAS in textbooks, then it was taken out. The bible WAS taught in schools, but was taken out. I'm not talking about other beliefs, I'm talking about the one that started this country and IS the majority. God and the bible taught children morals and to love one another, and gave them reasons to do so. Also gave them an ultimate truth, they were not confused, they all worked and loved for the same reasons. Now all these brats are taught to "express themselves", who gives a shit who's beliefs they stomp on. They are taught that there really isnt an exact truth, just what ever you want to believe. Thats dangerous! And why schools and kids in them now are no where NEAR the character levels and morality levels of kids 60 years ago.

Posted by Samurai i don't forgive and I don't forget... i hold a grudge forever.

Then don't ever expect anyone to forgive you for their actions and words against you.

Posted by Mr_Fiend I said God, not "Vishnu". That bill specifically targeted Christianity. God WAS in textbooks, then it was taken out. The bible WAS taught in schools, but was taken out. I'm not talking about other beliefs, I'm talking about the one that started this country and IS the majority. God and the bible taught children morals and to love one another, and gave them reasons to do so. Also gave them an ultimate truth, they were not confused, they all worked and loved for the same reasons. Now all these brats are taught to "express themselves", who gives a shit who's beliefs they stomp on. They are taught that there really isnt an exact truth, just what ever you want to believe. Thats dangerous! And why schools and kids in them now are no where NEAR the character levels and morality levels of kids 60 years ago.

Religion doesn't belong in school unless its a comparative religion class or or religion history. This country was not founded by christians. Several of our nations founders were polytheistic or unitarian. The problem with society isn't lack of religion its hypocritical beliefs and the internet.

Posted by MonkeyPunchBaby This country was not founded by christians. Several of our nations founders were polytheistic or unitarian.

Which is exactly what they told you in secular schools and college. They are one sided, they leave out God, regardless of whether or not He is a part of history or not. And they leave Him out because people get offended, then because of that, they become uniformed and not properly educated about the beliefs of our founding fathers and pilgrims.

Posted by Mr_Fiend Which is exactly what they told you in secular schools and college. They are one sided, they leave out God, regardless of whether or not He is a part of history or not. And they leave Him out because people get offended, then because of that, they become uniformed and not properly educated about the beliefs of our founding fathers and pilgrims.

i went to a private christian school for several years.