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UER Forum > Canada: Alberta / BC > Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. (Viewed 1386714 times)
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< Reply # 1280 on 2/18/2007 6:51 PM >
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I hear these victorian tunnels are sometimes lined with copper to give the tunnels strength to withstand the weight of the earth above,
homeless people have been in the tunnels for years and have never known this .
I think it's because of the coppers age it gets a "green" color to it,
back in the old days copper was cheep,thats why the parlement's roof was made of it ,and some of the left over material may have gone to construction of the tunnel from the parlement to the empress (I've just herd these rumors and never seen it for myself) ,also copper itself may have some significance to the satanic rituals that go on all the time in tunnels world wide.
yes , anyone care to back me up on this ?
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< Reply # 1281 on 2/18/2007 10:22 PM >
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"also copper itself may have some significance to the satanic rituals that go on all the time in tunnels world wide.
yes , anyone care to back me up on this ?"


Indeed meggaman. Here is the copper/Satan connection.

http://www.nmia.co...ki/nickel/main.htm




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< Reply # 1282 on 2/23/2007 8:23 PM >
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Has anyone been able to check out the 'Falls' construction hole on Burdett/Douglas/Courtenay at all?



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< Reply # 1283 on 2/24/2007 1:56 AM >
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"I hear these victorian tunnels are sometimes lined with copper to give the tunnels strength to withstand the weight of the earth above,"

I don't see how copper could be used as any kind of structural material - it is a very soft, weak metal.

As for the contention that copper was used to clad the Legislature roofs because it didn't cost much - it wasn't cheap at all when these buildings were constructed. In fact, the high demand for and price of copper through the first decades of the 20th century made many mining and smelting operations in B.C. feasible (Phoenix, Greenwood, Anyox, Boundary Falls) - operations that closed when prices plummeted and copper was no longer commanding high enough prices to justify mining and processing it. This is further borne out by the fact that only very high-end buildings had copper-clad roofs.

As far as I know, copper was used because of it's durability, it's malleability (suitable for unusually shaped roof designs) and for its esthetics (turns to green over time).




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< Reply # 1284 on 2/24/2007 4:33 AM >
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Phoenix, Greenwood, Anyox, Boundary Falls) - operations that closed when prices plummeted and copper was no longer commanding high enough prices to justify mining and processing it.



And please always remember, and never forget, the famous Britannia Beach Anaconda mines. Now a museum, and well worth the tour. It's very cool.




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< Reply # 1285 on 2/26/2007 9:33 PM >
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/blows dust off thread with theory of secret tunnels in Victoria...




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< Reply # 1286 on 2/27/2007 9:21 PM >
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They aren't lined with copper. As anvil says, that would be incredibly expensive and useless. And that link to the supposed Satanist-copper connection is actually about nickel, which is an entirely different metal.

In Victoria things like steel, concrete, granite blocks, brick, and wood timbers are used to support the tunnels. But generally, tunnels under Victoria are pretty strong just by themselves, because they are blasted through hard rock.

I recently acquired some pictures taken in 1917, showing workers blasting a tunnel through rock some 15 m below Victoria, and then pushing the rock out of the tunnel in little railway cars on tracks laid along the bottom of the tunnel. Judging from the people in the photographs, the tunnel is about 8 feet wide, and judging from the maps, it should be about 2 miles long. They were using wood timbers for supports, and pouring concrete in some places. Unfortunately I can't post them, because they are quite traceable, and someone would probably get in trouble, copyright infringements and all that.




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< Reply # 1287 on 2/28/2007 12:11 AM >
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They aren't lined with copper. As anvil says, that would be incredibly expensive and useless. And that link to the supposed Satanist-copper connection is actually about nickel, which is an entirely different metal.

In Victoria things like steel, concrete, granite blocks, brick, and wood timbers are used to support the tunnels. But generally, tunnels under Victoria are pretty strong just by themselves, because they are blasted through hard rock.

I recently acquired some pictures taken in 1917, showing workers blasting a tunnel through rock some 15 m below Victoria, and then pushing the rock out of the tunnel in little railway cars on tracks laid along the bottom of the tunnel. Judging from the people in the photographs, the tunnel is about 8 feet wide, and judging from the maps, it should be about 2 miles long. They were using wood timbers for supports, and pouring concrete in some places. Unfortunately I can't post them, because they are quite traceable, and someone would probably get in trouble, copyright infringements and all that.


Wait just a minute here...are you saying that these tunnels...these deep and long tunnels...were actually blasted out from solid bedrock? And then the debris was carted out on rail cars? Are you suggesting that there may be actual cut-through-solid-bed-rock tunnels under the streets of Victoria? Holy Jumpin Jesus, Tanuki...

That sounds pretty fukken whack.




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< Reply # 1288 on 2/28/2007 5:19 AM >
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I've seen these photos, and swear on a stack of smoking ACME dynamite boxes that they exist, and are as Tanuki described. The Holy Grail which we have been seeking, is gradually giving up it's secrets. Perhaps Chapter 2 of this great mystery is just beginning...

1. The Myth
2. The Discovery
3. The Exploration

The Great and Secret (Tunnel) Show





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< Reply # 1289 on 2/28/2007 5:28 PM >
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If only Jester was alive to see/read/experience this.

Oh wait. He IS alive...but only in some parallel universe where life forms are measured in low double digits, rather than here in this universe where life forms measure in the thousands, if not tens of thousands.

Now...about these rail cars. As I recall, I do remember an old story (probably located here on page 3 or some such) about an existing tunnel around the Pandora/Johnson St. area that, rumour says, features an old set of rails leading from one end all the way up to the top; that this rail system was employed for the purpose of hauling goods up from the docks, and that (rumour claims) there are one or two cars still on the tracks, all rusted of course, but nonetheless there and accessible to those who know the secret of access.

I believe it was one of my original street contacts who told me all this...some lonesome fellow eager to spill the beans, as it were, in exchange for a beer/sandwich. They said he was crazy, but I knew better.

Which reminds me of the guy who gave me some information related to the exact measure of these tunnels through some arcane mathematical formula/esoteric calculation...all this stuff about Satanic angles and pentagrams and Masonic geometry, which is kind of sexy to tourists, but rather tedious to those of us who live/work/breed in Victoria.

I wonder if any of that ridiculous anti-factoid nonsense (re: Satanic angles and pentagrams and Masonic geometry) will pan out. Maybe I should dust off my old city maps and grade-school geometry set.

We'll see...







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< Reply # 1290 on 2/28/2007 9:04 PM >
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< Reply # 1291 on 2/28/2007 9:21 PM >
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Saul Truman.



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< Reply # 1292 on 3/1/2007 12:52 AM >
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Whiskey Tango Foxtrot? Saul Truman?


Never mind. I finally figured it out after repeating it 2 or 3 dozen times.




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I'm still saying it and have nothing...
Anagram maybe? Mural at Sun? Manual Rust? Salt something????




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< Reply # 1294 on 3/1/2007 9:54 PM >
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I'm still saying it and have nothing...
Anagram maybe? Mural at Sun? Manual Rust? Salt something????


It's a secret Masonic message.

Translated, it means 'your fly is open.'




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DOH!
...wasn't till I asked someone if it meant anything to them, and they said it out loud the 'truth' light went on!




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DOH!
...wasn't till I asked someone if it meant anything to them, and they said it out loud the 'truth' light went on!


Was your fly open? Cuz, apparently, that's a secret sign that lets other Masonic 'members' know you're one of them.




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Just sort of skipped through this last bit, but to suggest the homeless have not noticed the "copper lined tunnels" is a bit crazy. Copper for crack dude, that's the new way.

Nobody knows.




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The word "Nickel" comes from Kupfernickel, the German word for "Satan's copper. : ) A.lien You a Clive Barker fan or what? "The Great and Secret (Tunnel) Show"




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A.lien You a Clive Barker fan or what? "The Great and Secret (Tunnel) Show"


Years ago I was in the old Vancouver Library at Burrard and Robson, now of course sacrificed to a Virgin. Record store. There was a bunch of people milling around, turned out it was Clive hiself reading from The Great and Secret Show.

I'd never heard of the man, but after hearing a few minutes of him reading, was blown away. That is the only book of his I've read. I have great respect for good published authors.







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