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KublaKhan
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 302 on 12/4/2005 7:34 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by bikepunk If you stay dry and insulated, it's possible to survive really low temperatures. On the other hand, moisture+cold=death. It's exceedingly easy to get hypothermia in this climate, it doesn't even have to be below 0 for it to happen (go for a hike on a cool rainy day in a cotton shirt, you'll find out how easy it is first hand). There is a reason that Vancouver and Victoria have a "Cold Wet Weather" strategy for the homeless that kicks in as soon as the rainy season starts.
| Thanks for that clarification, bikepunk. Really. I appreciate it.
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| KublaKhan
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 304 on 12/4/2005 10:40 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by mavrix I asked my dad how old he thinks the tunnel pics were, he said minimum 100 years old. Because of the bricks. So imagine the tunnels were bricked up around 1890-1900. To build the tunnel network musta took another 10-15 years maybe more. So you get around 1875-1880. Back then, magick was around, and you had secret socities and orders. This is castle era, and it was very common to dig tunnels, holes and secret passages to escape from an enemy, or because you wanted a secret tunnel. Its also possible that the bricks were added way after the tunnels were made.
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 306 on 12/5/2005 12:07 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Back to the topic. If anyone wants to get leads on this and your in the area, I suggest checking out the history, castles, orgonizations, especially free mason or templars etc. Also Kubla, about the pentagram code, you might want to get a nice map of the area, and start marking points of interest. In two colors, Blue for definetly ther, red for maybe or if it doesnt seem that important. start marking all the points, id help marking points from what I can dig up. Infact, ill start now. Think its worth while to drive 30+ hours to BC, to go on some adventures you with Kubla?
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 308 on 12/5/2005 1:26 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by mavrix I asked my dad how old he thinks the tunnel pics were, he said minimum 100 years old. Because of the bricks. |
This is wrong. Brick remained in use as a main surface material in North American sewers into the 1930s and 1940s. So possibly 100 years old, but certainly not necessarily that age. To build the tunnel network musta took another 10-15 years maybe more. |
This is nonsense. While the system may have been extended repeatedly, each lengthy section would have constituted the work of a single season, a year at the most. These things aren't medieval cathedrals. Many large, extensive sewer works, whether cut-and-cover or sub-surface bored/blasted/dug, were built in a single year. Back then, magick was around, and you had secret socities and orders. This is castle era, and it was very common to dig tunnels, holes and secret passages to escape from an enemy, or because you wanted a secret tunnel. Its also possible that the bricks were added way after the tunnels were made. |
The castle era? The 1870s-1930s? The only people building castles were idiosyncratic millionaires. While these idiosyncratic millionaires may have had a penchant for secret passages, this having anything to do with a lengthy stretch of brick sewer in a fairly unremarkable section of Victoria is extremely improbable. As I said to you before, sewer tunnels are very specialized constructions. They carry water at a consistent grade in a rigorously-designed network. The idea that someone else's tunnels would have been refashioned for wastewater is simply absurd. Now, if you lived in Victoria or have had any sort of credible, demonstrable experience of the city, your contributions to this thread might have some value to Khan's study of the historiography (hysteriography?) of tunnel rumours in the city. But since you're nowhere near there and continue to demonstrate that you have no grasp of sewerage history, there really is no excuse for your baseless ravings about castles and templars. This is Victoria we're talking about, not Languedoc. If your pentacoordinates are as inaccurate as your kidnapping link's seven streets to Easter assertion, I'm sure even Khan would be better off passing on them. Why don't you tell us all about the esoteric tunnels you've uncovered where you live, wherever that happens to be?
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 311 on 12/5/2005 5:33 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Ok mr know it all. Lets try this.. First im not trying to prove anything, only trying to post. Wich you keep talking about my posts, all of YOUR posts are bashing others. And then the 5 Private messages to me about you deleting my posts. Do you think I care that much about you? You know your field, dirty old sewers. And I know my field, esoteric occult and ancient magick. You are forgetting one important thing, victoria is the satanic capital of the world. But then I suppose, you believe thats just a myth? and any black coven would jump at the offer of an underground, secret location. and I believe, they wouldnt have to "jump" at the offer because they would have already owned it by inheritance or passing it down. The secret chambers of covens (if any) are not the same as storm drains, yet they could be old ones, or abandoned ones, or (accessed) by storm drains. Your research on black covens and underground temples and tunnels is lacking. It is quite popular in the usa and europe. Both ancient and present. This whole thread is about rumors and the possibility, yet it seems you only pick on my posts because my words or beliefs somehow itch you. Give it a rest! Or ban me for posting.. Oh yeah and then thers this Craigdarroch Castle, built in 1887-90 and now a National Historic Site, funny how my assumption was dead on. Ill find more !! I know my intuition.
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| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 317 on 12/5/2005 8:36 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Craigdarroch "Castle" is off of Fort Street. It is a Victorian-era mansion. Perhaps you'll find some Golden Dawn paraphenalia in a secret bookshelf somewhere there. I wouldn't count on this tourist trap leading you to any secret satanic black magic tunnels though. This is nowhere near the sewer that Tanuki found. Hatley "Castle" is nowhere near Old Victoria, in fact it's in Colwood, on the west side of Esquimalt Harbour, an extended drive from the city. Nearby you can tour some short military tunnels connecting gun emplacements and magazines at Fort Rodd Hill, which guarded the entrance to the Harbour and Canada's Pacific Fleet mooring grounds. You can feel free to imagine that these are actually satanic death tunnels if you wish. You can find Victorian-era "Castle" Mansions anywhere where there were millionaires between the 1870s and 1940s. It doesn't evidence anything beyond the impressiveness of old building techniques, old money and weird rich people. Posted by mavrix And then the 5 Private messages to me about you deleting my posts. |
I've only ever deleted one of your posts, when you got mouthy and abusive. Meanwhile I've deleted three or four of Jester's posts for being nothing more than an attempt to flamebait you and others in this thread. You know your field, dirty old sewers. And I know my field, esoteric occult and ancient magick. |
So then trust me when I say that the thing referenced six pages ago is in fact a dirty old sewer. A really amazing-looking one that I'd love to get into the next time I'm on the west coast, but a sewer nonetheless. You are forgetting one important thing, victoria is the satanic capital of the world. But then I suppose, you believe thats just a myth? |
Supposed to be, apparently, though I'm still waiting for something other than a bunch of people repeating the statement over and over again in the internet echo chamber to convince me that it actually bears out its supposed reputation. Your research on black covens and underground temples and tunnels is lacking. |
You're right, please point me to the material that evidences the following: a) the Dunsmuir family (or their architects) were practitioners of magic, or involved with secret black covens; or b) Victoria's 1880s-1930s sewer planners were practitioners of magic, or involved with secret black covens; or c) that any area of old Victoria sits atop karst with cave potential; or d) that there are any large, abandoned sewers in Victoria; or e) that either of the two castles/tourist displays you just pointed us to ever had any tunnels associated with them. This whole thread is about rumors and the possibility, yet it seems you only pick on my posts because my words or beliefs somehow itch you. |
I pick on your posts because they are unthoughtful innuendo from someone a few thousand kilometers away from Victoria who has yet to reveal any knowledge of the city external to google. While other contributors to this thread may like the idea of finding secret tunnels in Victoria, they demonstrate some measure of common sense, grounding in reality and awareness of the actual city. They're dealing with actual rumours and the difficult task of distilling the truth out of the massive amounts of distortion, while all you present in this thread is further distortion. Like the article you posted whose main salient point was based on the *wrong* Blanshard Park, your supposed evidence discredits itself at every turn. I pick on you because I'm interested to see what the people *in* Victoria are able to uncover when encouraged to do so in a credible and thoughtful manner. Once again, I'll ask the question: Tell us about the esoteric black magic tunnels you've uncovered in your area. Surely Quebec, having some of the oldest points of European settlement in North America, a strong presence of prerevolutionary French religious institutions, and being the hub of the fur trade networks in this country that have esoteric black magic written all over them, must be full of the stuff. If you've got so much intuition about a city on the other side of the country, then surely you must have already uncovered your local temple of doom?
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