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 Cowboy Wayne
 
Location: Evansville, Indiana.
Gender: Male
I'm sorry; I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.
 |  | Asbestos or no asbestos?
< on 2/3/2005 9:00 PM >
|  | | | I've been scoping out a very good UE site - an abandoned tuberculosis hospital. It shut down in the early seventies due to lack of use, and has been abandoned since. However, a lot of the equipment was left there, so I figure I could find some pretty good photo ops.
The problem is I don't know if it has asbestos. It was a tuberculosis hospital, and a very good one at that, but they still could have used some, right? What's more, it may have shut down before the Clean Air Act of 1970 was put into effect. I haven't visited it physically yet, though I know people who have, so I don't know if there are any "Danger - Asbestos" signs posted. Is there anything I should know that would help me?
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ofberenonehand
 
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 1 on 2/3/2005 9:01 PM >
| | | | Wear a respirator and disposable clothing.
"That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal |
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cavemonkey
Location: berthoud,Colorado
Gender: Male
| |  | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 2 on 2/4/2005 12:24 AM >
| | | | i would say that there is a very good chance that there is asbestos in some of the building at least. It was a pretty standard fire protection substance and a heat barrier for pipes and such. A good p100 mask should be fine but if your not in there to long, asbestos gets you with time of exposure, not 1 exposure...
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Servo
 
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 3 on 2/4/2005 1:54 AM >
| | | | P100 masks are $25 from Home Despot and similar places. If in doubt, wear one. Exposure is cumulative, and risk goes up with more exposures, but there are cases of people having complications after only small amounts of exposure.
Wear clothes that you are willing to part with as well.
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barraclou
Bus route 2 rider
Gender: Male
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 4 on 2/4/2005 2:58 AM >
| | | | Asbestos is not supposed hazardous, if breathed only once. The health issues are coming from repetitive exposure or you make shaking the particles.
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Servo
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 5 on 2/4/2005 4:59 AM >
| | | | I'm arguing this because it's actually important.
Posted by barraclou
Asbestos is not supposed hazardous, if breathed only once. The health issues are coming from repetitive exposure
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These statements demonstrate a lack of understanding about the nature of cumulative exposure. It's not just the number of separate incidents of exposure, but what quantity of fiber you're exposed to. You can be exposed hundreds of "separate" times but at an extremely low density, and you'll have a much lower risk of developing nasty lung disease than if you're exposed only once but to a high density of fiber.
We've been over this again and again in the forums...
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But if I'm reading this right, this IS correct, you should try to avoid disturbing loose pipe insulation and the like when possible.
Anyway, getting back closer to the original topic... steam tunnels abandoned and left alone in the 70s are more or less guaranteed to be unabated, and will probably contain friable asbestos. If the building is fairly intact inside, there isn't going to be much danger, but if insulation is ripped out of the walls and such, there may be a risk.
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junkyard
Location: LaCrosse, WI
Gender: Male
Strategic Beer Command where the metal hits the meat.
| |  | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 6 on 2/4/2005 6:07 AM >
| | | | When I went to school, I caught the tail end of the shit. I'm still here and so are many people over 70. Nobody lives forever, and they can have the last 20 years, cause they're at the end and I don't want em. Did you know that OE vehicle manufacturers can use asbestos in their brakes? I get to breathe that stuff because I'm expendible at the expense of non-squealing brakes. Boy do I feel important now.
Don't stay any longer than you need to, but I've explored radioactive sites before., so do what you think is right.
I drink gasoline for breakfeast and beer for dinner!
Any problem can be licked with a case of beer and a few sticks of dynamite.
Strategic Beer Command ruling the desert since 1995 http://www.strategic-beer-command.com |
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barraclou
Bus route 2 rider
Gender: Male
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 7 on 2/4/2005 4:54 PM >
| | | | If I have to choose between visiting an asbestos contaminated site or visiting a radioactive site, I would choose the asbestos one anytime. My posting is not a lack of understanding. Scientists have also no proofs that white asbestos (chyrosotile) causes more cases of diseases. It is hard to believe for many people, but a good part of the controversy is backed by lobbyists (specialized contractors, alternative products manufacturers, etc...).
http://www.asbesto...tail/cocktail.html
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Servo
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 8 on 2/4/2005 5:46 PM >
| | | | Hey, I'm just trying to point out that it has nothing to do with simply the number of times you're exposed. People don't seem to understand that it's not as simple as that.
There may indeed be some "villification" of asbestos going on, but we're not talking about whether to remove and replace it or not, but simply how to be safe around it. The evidence is inconclusive; it's your risk to take.
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ofberenonehand
Location: Minn-e-snow-ta
"Where now is Boromir the Fair? He tarries and I grieve."
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 9 on 2/4/2005 6:31 PM >
| | | | I'm surprised the increase in exposure theory needs any explanation. It seems like common sense. Compare it with anything else. For example, alcohol. Drinking a couple shots worth a day will increase your chance of liver failure. Drinking a liter a day will increase it MUCH more.
Anyway, not bashing anyone, just saying that if you apply some common sense to these things you'll probably be fine.
"That's What Government Is For; To Get In A Man's Way" -Mal |
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barraclou
Bus route 2 rider
Gender: Male
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 10 on 2/4/2005 6:58 PM >
| | | | That's cool, guys. No harm done.
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cavemonkey
Location: berthoud,Colorado
Gender: Male
| | | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 11 on 2/6/2005 9:45 PM >
| | | | i guess what i was trying to get at was that it has to do with your amount of exposure, which includes amounts of material and time of exposure, but i didnt articulate to well. Thanks for chiming in!
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SPEK Photo
Location: Where you were not.
"Chere cachère!"
| | | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 12 on 2/7/2005 4:24 AM >
| | | | I suppose the building was built in the 1900-1940? in an hospital the main source of asbestos will be in the plaster all over the walls. 1-2% of asbestos was added to plaster for better holding on wall property. 1-2% may look very low, but plaster lift dust easily when you crush it and it stick to cloth. Apart from a few ripped steam pipes exposing the asbestos around the boiler room and maybe on some high heat equipment like autoclave, plaster should be the main source of asbestos.
Pour fins d'archives.
WWW.EXPLORATIONURBAINE.CA |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 13 on 2/7/2005 6:54 AM >
|  | | | But Spek, chances are probably also good that in that time, things like ceiling tiles were replaced and some ceiling tiles were also made with asbestos...
I'd just say, wear your respirator. Being a bit uncomfortable is an acceptable inconvenience when you just don't know how bad the place may be.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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SPEK Photo
Location: Where you were not.
"Chere cachère!"
| | | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 14 on 2/7/2005 11:04 PM >
| | | | ceiling tiles, linoleum-asbestos floor tiles, tar-asbestos roofing, in glue for all those things, but that kind of uses for asbestos are far less volatile than the usual pure asbestos pipe wrapping and plaster.
Wearing a mask (p-100) is always a good thing, asbestos or not, in old humid building P-100 mask will also protect from moulds.
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Pour fins d'archives.
WWW.EXPLORATIONURBAINE.CA |
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Jester
Location: Vancouver,B.C. Canada
Gender: Male
Always just out of sight...
| | | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 15 on 2/7/2005 11:19 PM >
| | | | Posted by SPEK Photo
Wearing a mask (p-100) is always a good thing, asbestos or not, in old humid building P-100 mask will also protect from moulds.
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Good to bring that up Spek, moulds can be horrible, so it's another good reason to wear your respirator.
It requires wisdom to understand wisdom: the music is nothing if the audience is deaf. |
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barraclou
Bus route 2 rider
Gender: Male
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 16 on 2/8/2005 3:16 AM >
| | | | Posted by SPEK Photo
ceiling tiles, linoleum-asbestos floor tiles, tar-asbestos roofing, in glue for all those things, but that kind of uses for asbestos are far less volatile than the usual pure asbestos pipe wrapping and plaster.
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My own family kitchen floor was tiled with linoleum-asbestos tiles (before we change all the flooring in our house for another reason). I am in good health and I never had cancer or something like that.
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Servo
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 17 on 2/8/2005 3:55 AM >
| | | | Posted by barraclou
My own family kitchen floor was tiled with linoleum-asbestos tiles (before we change all the flooring in our house for another reason).
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I would venture to guess that the tiles in your house weren't degraded and falling apart.
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barraclou
Bus route 2 rider
Gender: Male
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 18 on 2/8/2005 6:13 PM >
| | | | Posted by Servo
I would venture to guess that the tiles in your house weren't degraded and falling apart.
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No and I hope not.  I never wanted to explore decay in my own home. They were changed, because we wanted new carpet everywhere else in the house and we did the kitchen job by the same time.
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Supreme Noble Donor
Location: City of Chicago, Richard M. Daley, Mayor
| | Re: Asbestos or no asbestos?
<Reply # 19 on 2/8/2005 9:56 PM >
| | | | When I used to work taking air samples at asbestos abatement sites, it was always assumed that any building that was built pre-1970 contained asbestos.
Respirators never hurt, and the basic rule of thumb I use is to not disturb any friable (crumble-able) material (plaster, ceiling tile, pipe insulation, etc.) that may contain the stuff.
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