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Revenant
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| | | Re: Women in the ministry < Reply # 5 on 10/26/2004 10:49 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Irish 1 Timothy 2:11-12 "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent."
| This is the kind of scriptures when the brain is supposed to start working and think "what is that non-sense" ? If i was a girl, and some guy told me that i should learn quietness, full submission, not be permitted to teach, to be silent, hed be "laughed off the stage" This is taliban-like mindset... Do you not agree that this paragraph is taliban-esque? Its like when you read the genesis, egyptians dont care about the jews running off in the desert until god controls their mind, makes them run after the jews, then drowns them all by flooding them from each side. You think what kind of gentle god would do stuff like this? This is when you start thinking, hey, maybe a gentle god didnt write all this after all, maybe it was some twisted human being who was hearing voices and wrote it down. I am honestly not trying to start shit on your board, i am just expressing my opinion. I think we human being can reason and when we start taking thousand year old books literally, we are in trouble. I am just basically what do you think about this scripture? I think women should be loud, in full expression of what they feel, think. I think women should teach, and must be vocal. I think one reason why some of the religious people who came to america thought that natives were demons, because women had all sorts of rights that were not to be seen in the "civilized" western world for a few centuries.
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| Valiant Dancer
Location: Villa Park, IL Gender: Male Total Likes: 0 likes
| | | Re: Women in the ministry < Reply # 12 on 11/3/2004 9:18 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by katwoman
Then you would have rampant chaos and anarchy.
You may want to clarify your statement there.
| I think in the context of the discussion, she was referring to the implication that scripture advocates women to "shut up and follow men" on all matters spiritual and mundane. I don't think (and I may be wrong) that she advocates an anarchal form of governance. Anarchists actually have a bit of a heirarchal structure which they impose on themselves so that community rules can be enforced. They do have some assumptions about resources which I disagree with, but is necessary for it to happen. Some South American tribes have an anarchal form of self governance which has been working well for them, but they don't have food supply issues or a materialistic community view.
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| Decoy
Location: Leslieville Gender: Male Total Likes: 0 likes
Oh I have slipped the bonds of earth...
| | | Re: Women in the ministry < Reply # 13 on 1/13/2005 1:58 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Watcher Heck, a lot of the early Church ministers *were* women. Although the Bible is the inspired Word of God, that word was filtered through men, in this case a former Rabbi named Paul. Paul was writing a letter to his student, not intending it to be holy writ (even though it became so). I think this particular passage might be more Paul's personal opinion than a divinely-inspired pronouncement of truth for all time. Of course, that's just me.
| I think that this is absolutely correct. In addition to this is the fact that something like the "women's liberation" as we know it in North America was allowed by God. How is it that in less than a hundred years in Canada, a "male dominance" mentality that has been hard wired into the psyche of men and women for millenia, is suddenly turned on it's head? Sounds like divine intervention to me. I've always considered the Bible to be an interpretive device. We have to be careful, however, how much we stray from the words that God handed to us through our forefathers. .... I guess what I'm trying to say is that, the times, they are a-changing, and while God is keeping up and guiding us, his book is in print, and is lagging behind. People tend to get upset about changes to "great works" in media. Wether it's Star Wars, classic literature, or The Bible... people don't like changes. Maybe the people who God is telling to write new books just have their ears closed to him.
| It's a drag, it's a bore, it's really such a pitty To be lookin' at the board, not lookin' at the city. |
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