Posted by whiteShadow I don't think so. Burglary Definition: Breaking and entering a residence for the intention of committing a crime. Burglary to me is when you enter with the intent of stealing. Meaning that the breaking is not the crime to me, otherwise, the definition is redundant. To me, the breaking is not the crime, it is what you do (or your intentions) when you are inside that can cause you trouble.

It's forced entry in most places, same as using a crowbar.
Pull up the penal codes for where you wish to commit the crime.

Pissed off LEOs aren't fun to deal with...

Posted by blackhawk It's forced entry in most places, same as using a crowbar. Pull up the penal codes for where you wish to commit the crime. Pissed off LEOs aren't fun to deal with...

Are you sure it's the same as with a crowbar? Because when you use a crowbar, you damage the property, so here you have intent to commit crime (deterioration of the place). When you pick the lock, you don't damage anything.

Posted by whiteShadow I don't think so. Burglary Definition: Breaking and entering a residence for the intention of committing a crime. Burglary to me is when you enter with the intent of stealing. Meaning that the breaking is not the crime to me, otherwise, the definition is redundant. To me, the breaking is not the crime, it is what you do (or your intentions) when you are inside that can cause you trouble.

I'm sure the judge will operate based on your interpretation of the law.

Posted by Gothic Ghoul I'm sure the judge will operate based on your interpretation of the law.

It's not an interpretation. It is what it is written in the law.

s. 348(1)(a) - breaks with intent

To make out the charge under 348(1)(a), there must be an "intent" to commit an indictable offence and the intent must be present at the time of the entering. Breaking and entering into a place is not a criminal offence without a sign of an offence while inside.

So no, I'm not interpreting the law, I'm reading it.

Posted by whiteShadow It's not an interpretation. It is what it is written in the law. s. 348(1)(a) - breaks with intent To make out the charge under 348(1)(a), there must be an "intent" to commit an indictable offence and the intent must be present at the time of the entering. Breaking and entering into a place is not a criminal offence without a sign of an offence while inside. So no, I'm not interpreting the law, I'm reading it.

Burglary to me-

Sounds like an interpretation.

Posted by Gothic Ghoul Burglary to me- Sounds like an interpretation.

I said 'to me' because I thought burglary was only limited to stealing, but the definition just says 'a crime'.

Posted by whiteShadow It's not an interpretation. It is what it is written in the law. s. 348(1)(a) - breaks with intent To make out the charge under 348(1)(a), there must be an "intent" to commit an indictable offence and the intent must be present at the time of the entering. Breaking and entering into a place is not a criminal offence without a sign of an offence while inside. So no, I'm not interpreting the law, I'm reading it.

You are not invisible here. High security level LEOs can find you rather fast if the wish too.
Not a good idea to post threads like this...

Section 351 of the Canadian Criminal Code criminalizes the "possession any instrument suitable for the purpose of breaking into any place, motor vehicle, vault or safe under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that the instrument has been used or is or was intended to be used for such a purpose", and carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison.[16]
https://en.m.wikip.../wiki/Lock_picking

Posted by blackhawk You are not invisible here. High security level LEOs can find you rather fast if the wish too. Not a good idea to post threads like this... Section 351 of the Canadian Criminal Code criminalizes the "possession any instrument suitable for the purpose of breaking into any place, motor vehicle, vault or safe under circumstances that give rise to a reasonable inference that the instrument has been used or is or was intended to be used for such a purpose", and carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison.[16] https://en.m.wikip.../wiki/Lock_picking

Good to know. Although this topic wasn't about lock picking initially.
But I don't need one anyway.

Posted by whiteShadow Good to know. Although this topic wasn't about lock picking initially. But I don't need one anyway.

We like pics not this...

Posted by blackhawk We like pics not this...

That's why I didn't post it in the photography section...

Posted by whiteShadow That's why I didn't post it in the photography section...

You been baiting this thread along.
Not the way to rack up your post count as a basic member.

Posted by blackhawk You been baiting this thread along. Not the way to rack up your post count as a basic member.

What are you talking about ???

I just wanted to learn something about security cameras. It's not my fault if people brought up other topics.
But they are also interesting topics. So if we can't talk about these things here, I don't really see the point of having a forum.

I couldn't care less about my post count.

Read the thread again, you will see I'm not the one that mentioned lockpicking, I'm not the one that mentioned B&E and law, I'm not the one that mentioned pictures.

I just wanted to ask a question, and I'm a bit sick to have to justify myself for everything I say (especially when I just reply to people).

You asked how to determine if a security camera is active. There was a suggestion or two provided on the previous page. But, you also mentioned that you needed to hover around the door for a couple minutes.

Hmmmm, what would one be doing to a potential point of entry for a couple minutes that you wouldn't want cameras seeing?

Picking locks is a pretty plausible assumption, and that is why it was made.

We didn't have to debate about what would constitute B&E in Canada, you could have settled the score by clearly stating what your intended action was for those two minutes.

Just remember, even in Canada, doesn't matter how well you know or interpret the law, you still gotta listen to security and/or police. How do you intend to respond when they're arresting you and interrogating you for B&E?

I completely take back what I said about going for this place, just to protect you. I said the lock picking thing almost as a joke, but I guess people are dumb enough to literally break into a building to explore it.

Explorers, in most cases, do nothing other than open things to get into places. Whether it's finding an unlocked door, climbing through a missing window, or using tunnels to get into a building. There are only a few cases where something like lock picking would be OK, and this is certainly not one of them.

Posted by ryanpics Explorers, in most cases, do nothing other than open things to get into places. Whether it's finding an unlocked door, climbing through a missing window, or using tunnels to get into a building. There are only a few cases where something like lock picking would be OK, and this is certainly not one of them.

Yep. It better be a once in a decade, incredibly mind blowing find if you're going to attempt to pick the locks in full view of the camera. Somehow I suspect this building isn't worth the risk. I'd wait and keep an eye on it, it'll probably open up eventually- it may take months or even years, but a safer opportunity will present itself someday.

Possibly, if you're completely sure that you will absolutely not get caught. I'd go with the lock picking, if I had the skill.

I've done a couple questionable things to get into places.

Who's Max power ?

Posted by whiteShadow I don't think so. Burglary Definition: Breaking and entering a residence for the intention of committing a crime. Burglary to me is when you enter with the intent of stealing. Meaning that the breaking is not the crime to me, otherwise, the definition is redundant. To me, the breaking is not the crime, it is what you do (or your intentions) when you are inside that can cause you trouble.

Your interpretation of the law is a lot less important than a judges. Also, where did you get that "definition"? Burglary applies to any felony you plan to commit, not just stealing. Not to mention laws vary by state.

Posted by Fleeting You asked how to determine if a security camera is active. There was a suggestion or two provided on the previous page. But, you also mentioned that you needed to hover around the door for a couple minutes. Hmmmm, what would one be doing to a potential point of entry for a couple minutes that you wouldn't want cameras seeing? Picking locks is a pretty plausible assumption, and that is why it was made. We didn't have to debate about what would constitute B&E in Canada, you could have settled the score by clearly stating what your intended action was for those two minutes. Just remember, even in Canada, doesn't matter how well you know or interpret the law, you still gotta listen to security and/or police. How do you intend to respond when they're arresting you and interrogating you for B&E?

Somebody assumed it was for picking. I never say such thing. Actually, later, I said I don't need picking tools.

I didn't ask people to assume what I'll be doing and judging me based on their assumptions.

Of course I will listen to police or security. I never said the opposite, but it also useful to know the law about it. I just cited it, thinking other people might be interested, that's all.

I didn't encourage anybody to pick or what, so I don't see where is the problem. Although I don't need to, if I wanted to pick locks, that would be my problem, not yours.

You have your vision or urbexing, I have mine.

Posted by ryanpics I completely take back what I said about going for this place, just to protect you. I said the lock picking thing almost as a joke, but I guess people are dumb enough to literally break into a building to explore it. Explorers, in most cases, do nothing other than open things to get into places. Whether it's finding an unlocked door, climbing through a missing window, or using tunnels to get into a building. There are only a few cases where something like lock picking would be OK, and this is certainly not one of them.

This is your vision of urbexing. Some people (like me) don't mind taking some risks, as long as it is calculated risks.
That's why I'm trying to get info on these security cameras first, that's why I read the law about B&E, carrying lock picking tools, etc...