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Best form of protection and peace of mind?
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I have been exploring many times and only ever ran into aggressive people twice now, one being an aggressive homeless man I believe to have been high on something (all previous experiences with vagrants have been pleasant) and another when a good samaritan felt it was necessary to personally pursue three people walking up out of a city owned creek that lead to a drain system.I am definitely not looking for any trouble when I go out, but I have found myself a tad more anxious now and thought having something other than my Maglight to ease my mind. I looked up pepper spray, which is also good for animals if I were to run into a predator of some sorts, but can't find one that has consist good reviews and a personal nightmare would be needing it and it sputtering out nothing on me. Does anyone have any personal recommendations for a brand of pepper spray or any other kind of personal defense that they have found work for them? I appreciate it!



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Haha, are you even allowed to protect yourself in CA / San Francisco?




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When I'm in an area that calls for it I keep a big can of hornet spray on me. It doesnt spray back like pepper spray, and has a 25' solid stream. You get that into someone's eyes and they are going to have a bad time. Plus pepper spray isnt legal everywhere, while AFAIK hornet spray is.


That being said, it is ALWAYS a better option to try and get away. Self defense is a last resort.




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When I'm in an area that calls for it I keep a big can of hornet spray on me. You get that into someone's eyes and they are going to have a bad time.


You're going to have a bad time trying to use hornet spray for self defense as it doesn't do anything to people. It just suffocates Hornets, it doesn't do anything to human eyes. The best you'll do is give them a funny taste in their mouth




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You're going to have a bad time trying to use hornet spray for self defense as it doesn't do anything to people. It just suffocates Hornets, it doesn't do anything to human eyes. The best you'll do is give them a funny taste in their mouth


Snopes.com did a fact check on this and have concluded half-fact. "Wasp spray can have effects similar to pepper spray when used for self-defense"

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You're going to have a bad time trying to use hornet spray for self defense as it doesn't do anything to people. It just suffocates Hornets, it doesn't do anything to human eyes. The best you'll do is give them a funny taste in their mouth


I be inclined to beat someone to a pulp if they sprayed anything in my eyes...




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I used to walk around with a grenade with the pin pulled, but now I have a dead man's switch that sets off an incendiary bomb if my heart stops. If anyone ever attacks and kills me while I'm exploring, they're going to get an unpleasant surprise!




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I did a lot of research on this topic a few years back. I ended up opting for pepper spray. It's important to realize that not all products labeled as pepper spray contain tear gas.

Tear gas in an enclosed area would almost certainly negatively impact you as well. A thick, sticky stream of primarily capsaicin is not going to impact you at all unless you happen to be outside in particularly strong winds. Even in windy conditions a concentrated stream is less likely to be blown into your eyes compared to a wider spray.

I ended up opting for a large can of sabre red with a safety flip top over the trigger (I believe some of the products from this brand do contain tear gas so just make sure you pay attention to which formula it is). It has a max range of 12' and the stream is pretty narrow and strong.

I keep it holstered on my belt during most explores. Obviously this would only be used in a situation when there is no other way to safely exit a situation. If you're in the US, a few states do regulate the amount of pepper spray you can carry or the capsaicin percentage. However in general if you're caught, pepper spray is more likely to be seen as a defensive weapon which may help how you're perceived by law enforcement, although I have never been caught.

It is also important to note that for whatever reason a small percentage of the population has a reduced effect (sometimes practically no effect) to capsaicin. This is also the case with some people high on certain drugs where their bodies experience the same reactions but mentally they are less aware of it.

I also would recommend a quick test with new cans to ensure they're pressurized correctly and that the capsaicin is present. Like anything, there is a certain percentage of manufacturing errors that occur and are not caught.



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I also would recommend a quick test with new cans to ensure they're pressurized correctly and that the capsaicin is present. Like anything, there is a certain percentage of manufacturing errors that occur and are not caught.


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I recommend you try it on yourself just like LEOs and Seals do before you attempt to deploy it.
If you can't thoroughly chew a Thai pepper without flinching, you won't do very well when the wind or perp get it in your face.

At 15 feet out you are in striking distance for an edge weapon, with one hand (or both) already tied up fumbling for a useless non lethal.
Guess who will most likely win?




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Pepper spray is like being splashed with water to anyone who's been exposed more then once.

Hornet spray sounds unusual, but I don't know enough about the stuff to say anything about it.


That said, some LEOs can really stretch the definition of weapon.




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I recommend you try it on yourself just like LEOs and Seals do before you attempt to deploy it.


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He's right though OP, I'd argue that your best option to defend yourself is by running. Or if the law over there allows concealed carry, do that. Don't get caught trespassing with a weapon though.

I would advise leaving less than lethal weapons for the police. There are other means to minimize the risk of getting jumped.




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Haha, are you even allowed to protect yourself in CA / San Francisco?


I mean I definitely didn't plan on strapping up to climb around in an old office or drain. But yea they are a good lot tighter here in California, I own a flip assist blade but don't plan on waving it around like an asshole at some vagrant haha




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Pepper spray is like being splashed with water to anyone who's been exposed more then once.

Hornet spray sounds unusual, but I don't know enough about the stuff to say anything about it.


That said, some LEOs can really stretch the definition of weapon.


You can burn through the pain especially if you're angry; adrenalin counteracts the histamines.
Worse if you played with it you know the pain isn’t physical damage, and it's transient.
Just a matter of working around it; all the more reason to close the space quickly and make physical contact.

Yeah, arresting LEOs can get real funny about anything that can be used to incapacitate them.




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The best form of protection is as follows:

Step 1: Assess the threat.

Step 2: Fucking run. If you're not trained extensively in close quarters combat, any weapon you bring is more likely to be taken from you, and used against you. Not to mention be a legal liability should you run afoul of any LEA's.




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The terms "tear gas" and pepper spray are not one in the same.

If you want some real potent stuff get military grade CS, probably have to go black market or rambo para-military types online Ive been exposed to this stuff and I don't care how bad you may think you are it chokes and burns the crap out of you to the point where you cant see and think youre going to suffocate

Or, more readily available, police grade pepper spray high concentration oleoresin capsicum its not tear gas although the fumes can make you cry, the liquid needs sprayed directly to make contact with eyes or mucous membrane to do much good Ive been hit with it too, not much fun, but if I was armed and so inclined I couldve still killed you

Why don't you guys just explore and have fun, I doubt 99% of you are even going to fight some drunken hobo anyway, they will probably take your weapon and your peace of mind from you

If youre that afraid to explore, take guided tours or explore safe public places with permission the only thing sillier than a noob with a weapon is a noob with no real world experience and a weapon that thinks hes a bad mofo!




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If you're not trained extensively in close quarters combat, any weapon you bring is more likely to be taken from you, and used against you.


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The best form of protection is as follows:

Step 1: Assess the threat.

Step 2: Fucking run. If you're not trained extensively in close quarters combat, any weapon you bring is more likely to be taken from you, and used against you. Not to mention be a legal liability should you run afoul of any LEA's.


Yep. Pay attention and be prepared to run




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If you want some real potent stuff get military grade CS


Had to experience CS in basic training. That is no effing joke. Just shuts your lungs down, gasping for air. Then when you leave the gas chamber, it reacts with the oxygen making you feel like your entire face is on fire, as snot reaches to the ground, you cry lava, and puke.

I did not puke, but did dry heave AND slipped in someone else's puke as I pushed my way out of the chamber. Good times. As we exited, we were to walk around a PT pit flapping our arms like a bird and sounding off with "my arms are flapping and my lungs are pumping Drill Sargent!




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The best form of protection is as follows:

Step 1: Assess the threat.

Step 2: Fucking run. If you're not trained extensively in close quarters combat, any weapon you bring is more likely to be taken from you, and used against you. Not to mention be a legal liability should you run afoul of any LEA's.


Meh, never run from a dog or other animal predator unless you are -sure- you can get away.
Running away from a predator will almost certainly trigger their hard wired instinct to attack.
Best to face the animal and slowly back away/out of their perceived territory.
Avoid eye contact unless you know the ramifications of using it.

Humans, do what is needed. Walk if that works.
Remember hellholes don't give a fuck.
Break into a jog; once in a jog it's easy to accelerate to a sprint if you must.
Overreacting can get you injured... and really make you look silly.




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