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Dee Ashley
Location: DFW, Texas Gender: Female Total Likes: 1378 likes
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| | | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 33 on 2/5/2019 5:05 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I've been doing this for a while now and over time I've been confronted by owners, dogs, security, cops, etc. What has surprised me is how many times "security," is actually a cop off-duty. One time, we were caught by an off duty cop that actually drove her squad car around the property with her k-9 (we got off on a warning that time). I guess my point is that even though they are hired by third parties for security they are still cops and probably still armed, so keep that in mind too. I'd say close to half - at least 25% of security I've come across were (or less frequently, had been) law enforcement. * I love the trash bag idea! Perhaps impractical for most situations, but brilliant nonetheless.
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| ryanpics
Location: Central Va Gender: Male Total Likes: 447 likes
| | | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 36 on 2/5/2019 11:42 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | *Just a note, nothing I say is what you must do. If there's a case when you should do something that I say not to, then do it. To be honest, I don't care what you do as long as it doesn't affect me* *Also, I wrote this between eating dinner and adding places to my map so it might not make any sense. I'm too lazy to read it over so if it doesn't then oh well* A lot of security avoiding can be done through appearance. If you're 80 years old then no one will care. Maybe carry a bowl of cookies or some grandma accessories. If you're 10 then you were just interested. If you're 50 then look like you're 20 years older. If you're 20 then try to look like a well mannered and intelligent 16 year old that's trying to learn more about a historical site. Your excuses and stories don't have to be lies, just reworded versions of what you're doing for them to better understand. If you have a bag maybe cover it in grass. Wear a ghillie suit, wear a trash bag. Dress like a homeless guy and if security starts coming then run off like a maniac or just play dumb. Maybe dress in your nicest suit and bring someone to look like your servant. Maybe get a fake paparazzi. You can be creative, but don't be stupid. don't climb inside a trash bag and just sit on some concrete while security is staring at you. Don't go full stealth and do somersaults in your ghillie suit past cameras. Don't Bring your gun and shoot the cameras. Definitely don't dress like a cop. Don't dress like a burglar in all black. Don't wear a ski mask unless it looks right. If it's -30 (f) then wear one. If not, don't. I don't only own gym shorts and athletic t shirts just because I find them the most comfortable. People don't think anything of it, other than my big camera bag and tripod . I wear tennis shoes everywhere I go because I think it's comfortable, they're light, they look normal, I don't feel dumb wearing them, and most importantly they're my only pair of shoes. Dress how you normally would if you were just going out on the street. Don't draw unwanted attention towards yourself. If you have crazy blue hair or piercings everywhere, that's a different kind of attention. People won't see that and think that you're about to infiltrate an active military bunker or something cool sounding like that. Don't wear climbing gloves and steel toe boots and waders and barbed wire proof clothes. Don't carry a crow bar or something like that. Don't look around suspiciously. Don't dress like a thug and low ride, unless that seems to fit your environment of course. Night vision goggles are a no, lock picks are a no, universal key cards are a no, key card info stealers are a no. Just don't look like a criminal. Go in at like 6 am on a sunday or a holiday. Take the least exposed route even if it means going a longer or more difficult way. Always move slowly around security, but quicky when not. You don't want to be seen and you don't want to allow more time to be seen. Don't sprint because that's easy to see, but in some cases you will need to. Don't go at a snail's pace too because then a security guard could walk up on you and you'd be done. But again, there are still cases when you should do everything I've said not to. Study your environment. Scout every possible path and plan for every scenario. Buy a drone to scope out the inside or where security is. Or use the drone just to get a completely up to date version of whatever you studied on google earth. Learn when security is there, when they arrive and when they leave. Test the security and the security measures. See if the cameras are active or if the motion sensors are hooked up to anything. Purposely trip an alarm to see what the response rate is. Those last things will probably never be used by anyone but who knows. Maybe if you live next to a spot you can get to know the security and just ask to go in. You never know what'll happen. If you know that there's no possible way of you getting in and out without being caught and punished, then just ask someone who's on the site and looks like they have authority If you get into the site but see a security guard or cop, approach them and immediately start a conversation. First ask about the building or property and then start hinting at how you want to go inside. Maybe they'll be nice and say fine, maybe they'll give you the owner's contact info, and maybe they'll just tell you to leave. But chances are if you're nice and talk to them, they won't care much or at all and they'll let you go with no problem. Unless it's a Military base, but oh well. For anyone who's going to reply to this and say how in some scenario one thing wouldn't work or some thing would be better, I know. This is just a general thing for beginners to follow or not to follow. Whatever they choose. Thanks for reading Ryan L.
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| EI_CEO_CFT
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| | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 37 on 4/11/2019 9:38 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Dual licensed security guard/private investigator here [important to note that I've only went through the courses and have absolutely zero real world experience so take this with a grain of salt] but in all courses its reiterated a nauseating amount that security guards, like someone in the thread earlier said, are strictly meant to "Observe, deter, and report ". Again, like someone earlier had brought up, they are pretty much professional witnesses. Another important thing to remember is that guards are people too, fear and all. If you're an intimidating looking individual, or a group of folks, they likely won't go through the effort of chasing you down just to call the site owner for the site owner to say "let them go" for liabilities sake or some other reason. Lastly, and I can only speak for the Canadian province of Ontario, they can only preform citizens arrests, and thats when they've witnessed a crime or immediately after without any major time lapse [I've had friends ask if they're in danger after running for a guard and then if, hypothetically, they run into the same guard later - no.] Again, they still usually have to call the client to see if they want an arrest to be made. In short, I'd recommend if you've been spotted or can only foresee a way out of a site by passing a private security guard [not a LEO of course] then making a run for it is easier [and safer] for the security guard who can visually confirm you left because of their presence, and a whole lot easier for you. Would you want to detain you for minimum wage - 20$/hr in most cases when the explorer is obviously on their way out and not coming back anyway, and risk life and limb?
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| wttnparanormal
Location: Watertown, WI Gender: Male Total Likes: 1 like
| | | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 38 on 5/23/2019 1:46 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | In most of the U.S. security doesn't have much authority other than to warn you, ask you to leave, and/or report activity to the property owner and police. They can't arrest you (or really even put their hands on you) unless it's out of self-defense. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can let them know why your there, and that you'll be leaving the property. Their jurisdiction ends at the client's property line. Depending on the contractor that they work for, they usually aren't allowed to leave that property. If they are, then they usually aren't allowed to pursue once on public property.
- Park on public property, away from the site your investigating, and walk to the site. If they see your vehicle in the parking lot, that's an immediate red flag that someone is there. This will draw immediate attention to police and security.
- If you encounter either of them, don't run. Explain why your there and that you'll be leaving.
- Do NOT give them your names. They may turn this over to police depending on their client's agreement. They can not detain you or require this. If they really insist, give them a fake name and DOB. If you encounter police, give them your real information so you don't pick up any (additional) criminal charges.
- If you are being followed, don't go to your vehicle right away. They'll likely take down your license plate number which is another piece of identifying information.
Hope this helps! nwjudge
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