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Aeris
Location: IL, USA Total Likes: 9 likes
Solve et Coagula.
| | | Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < on 6/27/2018 3:06 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Hey all, rookie here. Just finished scouting a location with my planned partner. We were not going to go in this time, we were mostly looking for possible entrances, checking for security, and just getting an idea for the place before we explored it. While doing so we had a bump in with security. They weren't too suspicious of us, and after they told us we were about to enter private property, we left that side. We saw them driving away, presumably to patrol around the area. I knew security was a common problem to get around in Urbexing, but I guess this made it more real. I'm pretty confident we found a relatively safe entrance, but still... How do you guys avoid security? Any special techniques or scouting tactics that would be helpful to know? And on a side note, if you're spotted while exploring, do you run? Play dumb? Be honest? Thank you for all replies!
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| VAD
Location: Toronto Total Likes: 161 likes
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| | | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 6 on 7/18/2018 9:44 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Hoover A security guard can't make arrests or hurt you or anything wild like that, unless you go in there with a gun or commit some felony action in front of them. However, a guard can remember your face and call the police.
| This is very jurisdiction dependent - in Canada, and in many states, guards (and regular old property owners) can perform citizen's arrests of trespassers. That said, many security guard companies, and many facilities, forbid their guards from performing an arrest to avoid the liability. In these cases, if you're caught, just calmly inform the guard that you'd like to leave, and walk away. As for avoiding - a good trick that sometimes comes in handy if they do regular rounds is to time it - how long each patrol takes, time between each, etc.
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| | | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 10 on 12/9/2018 8:25 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Aran
Depends on your local laws. I know that in Wisconsin, security guards have no legal authority to pursue or detain- they can only observe and report. That may differ from state to state, and in some they may be able to make a citizen's arrest (detaining you until cops arrive) if they directly observe you committing a crime. That being said, most security guards won't try even if they technically have legal standing to make a citizen's arrest because doing so might risk their job. Many security companies forbid their guards from doing anything more than observing and reporting to avoid liability issues. Of course, this all goes out in the window when dealing with armed guards, but anyone considering trying to circumvent armed guards should really reconsider whether an abandoned building is worth their life.
| Anyone can make a citizen's arrest. Do not physically engage the guard(s)! Run, evade and elude. I don't give a rat's ass if a guard is armed, run. Unless you robbed, assaulted, etc them, it's highly unlikely they will shoot you. Remember if you were stupid enough to go into a DOE, Federal, the White House lawn or other high security military sites some may be authorized to shoot on sight. An MP is police. There are also RR police with authority across state lines. FBI can arrest you for violating any local, state or federal laws. Never run from them... they will find you more than likely. They oversee security on all military bases stateside. Know your site and LEOs.
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| Aran
Location: Kansas City Gender: Male Total Likes: 1848 likes
Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.
| | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 11 on 12/9/2018 9:21 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by blackhawk
Anyone can make a citizen's arrest. Do not physically engage the guard(s)! Run, evade and elude. I don't give a rat's ass if a guard is armed, run. Unless you robbed, assaulted, etc them, it's highly unlikely they will shoot you. Remember if you were stupid enough to go into a DOE, Federal, the White House lawn or other high security military sites some may be authorized to shoot on sight. An MP is police. There are also RR police with authority across state lines. FBI can arrest you for violating any local, state or federal laws. Never run from them... they will find you more than likely. They oversee security on all military bases stateside. Know your site and LEOs.
| I wasn't advocating getting into a physical altercation with guards- quite the opposite in fact. My point here is that guards are unlikely to try to detain you, If you are spotted you have a short window to escape between the guard seeing you and the police showing up, and your best option is being far away by the time they arrive. My secondary point was that an armed guard should be a sign that maybe you should forget about that particular location, whether they're likely to shoot or not. That includes federal and military properties. Anywhere the FBI or MPs are involved is a location best left alone. As for RR police, yes they can cross state lines- but their jurisdiction is limited to railroad property in most states. In Wisconsin, that limit is 15 feet to either side of the tracks if I remember correctly. In California however, they have statewide jurisdiction, so knowledge of local laws is important.
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| | | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 12 on 12/9/2018 10:44 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Aran
I wasn't advocating getting into a physical altercation with guards- quite the opposite in fact. My point here is that guards are unlikely to try to detain you, If you are spotted you have a short window to escape between the guard seeing you and the police showing up, and your best option is being far away by the time they arrive. My secondary point was that an armed guard should be a sign that maybe you should forget about that particular location, whether they're likely to shoot or not. That includes federal and military properties. Anywhere the FBI or MPs are involved is a location best left alone. As for RR police, yes they can cross state lines- but their jurisdiction is limited to railroad property in most states. In Wisconsin, that limit is 15 feet to either side of the tracks if I remember correctly. In California however, they have statewide jurisdiction, so knowledge of local laws is important.
| Unlikely people will run into armed private security exploring. And yeah sploring active sites with armed guards isn't a good plan. My point was running from a guard is fine as long as you don't make physical contact with them. & RR cops can pursue off RR property for crimes committed on RR property I believe. Lol, rarely will the FBI tagged you at the scene; they like to observe and come calling later. They investigate breaches on military bases and federal properties. Pics posted from a restricted area could trigger them to investigate.
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| corvidcache
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| | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 14 on 12/20/2018 9:12 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | If you're not alone, use the buddy system, seriously. Being spread out means widening your risk area, no matter what the "risk" is. I also have a running method when I'm not ready to leave - hit the roof! Depending on the place, of course. It only works if you're in a tall building and haven't been seen yet. If you're in a single-story building, you're kinda screwed. I hid in a trash-filled closet while security circled a gutted single-story complex I was at this summer. The easy times are when they're in cars. The scarier ones are when you hear footsteps. At seriously open, decrepid buildings I think they're less protective of the property (because there's less to protect), as a general observation. Overall, stay quiet, and don't fucking smoke anything - smells give you away too! (Also, if you're gonna, be REALLY careful with that cherry and your flame, please. You don't want to lose your life, limbs, or exploring site.)
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| Aran
Location: Kansas City Gender: Male Total Likes: 1848 likes
Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.
| | | Re: Your favorite tactics for avoiding security? < Reply # 19 on 12/21/2018 4:47 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by corvidcache
Well I'm SOL for life! I only wear black and dark green, ever. I don't like being colorful. I don't own colorful clothing and I'm not about to go pay money for it. (It's obvious that I'm just a metalhead once you meet me.) But yeah, don't dress up like a cartoonish burglar. That's a decent rule. Just wear some everyday clothes, as long as they're durable and washable.
| Honestly I find earthy tones to be ideal. A mixture of blacks, browns, greens, tans, and dull blues are the best. It's okay to wear black as long as it's not the only color you're wearing.
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