http://minnesota.c...hters-cave-rescue/


Well, I'm happy the kids made it out okay.. But on the other hand the explorer who removed ALL the ropes, should not have done so even with good intentions I hope they had. And we've lost another fantastic location.. for now at least.
Well They should be happy that they dint have to drink their own urine or go all CHUD on each other. ( that was joke, I'm happy they got out. )
But I'm also angry the location is gone, especially with how well it was treasured. thoughts anyone?

That's funny about the ropes. I just saw an "explorer" who once cut down ropes in that same cave (because he was butthurt) commenting on a news article, saying how these kids were dumb for not knowing their physical limits.

Also I hope everyone's already told the highschool kids who decided to do an interview with Fox9 while they're attempting to go into a cave in broad daylight how damn stupid they are. With how attention-obsessed all the insta-kids are these days tho I'm sure they already made 100 new friends from that.

Screw these little shit for brains failure cunts.
Death -should- have been their reward.

If you need a rescue and especially if are in one piece it means you totally fucked up.
This kind of story irritates me to no end.
Thanks to fucktards like this many unique places have been sealed.
They had a rope; pull those damn bitches up even if takes a day and more friends with muscle or brains.
Pussy ass wimps.
What could have been the greatest story of their less then 2 decades of existence is instead a lame ass story of 3 scared kids.

Take only pictures, leave only footprints, and never call for emergency rescue.
There is no try. Do it or don't.

Kids were incomprehensibly stupid. Make sure at least one in your group has some climbing gear in case shit gets too real.. that shaft isn't even hard to get up with just rope once you can put your back and feet against it, just a tit bit sketch. Do your intelligence gathering and know what you're getting into beforehand or go with someone who knows what the fuck they are doing. News reporters were right saying that this shaft is no joke.


This is the kind of shit that happens when you post pictures of shit everywhere and tell everyone where everything is. But he smokes pot, that means he's trustworthy by default, right?


Seal them all. Let lilydale slumber for now, for the sandstone is soft. If that happens maybe blood will flow from the Instagram fags e-penis and instead go to their brain.

Their eagerness almost killed them! Glad they are ok. Not happy that they did it for Instagram fame. That is how locations get blown up. Shame.

Yeah it's a shame what happened, from what I was reading it was their friend who freaked out and did it despite them telling him no. none the less their ambition could have killed them. If there's anything to learn from this, its that you need to be prepared and have back up solutions to problems that may arise. lucky for them they didn't have to start feasting on each other or start eating cave spiders... I've seen some gaulish ones from that location.

I've gone up the main part of that shaft hand-over-hand on a rope, while drunk, without much for footholds. However, I then got my old fat ass stuck in the stupid 16" pipe at the top and had to get a bunch of random girls to pull me out

Fuck that pipe. Those kids are idiots but that whole shaft situation was an accident waiting to happen.

Posted by Freak I've gone up the main part of that shaft hand-over-hand on a rope, while drunk, without much for footholds. However, I then got my old fat ass stuck in the stupid 16" pipe at the top and had to get a bunch of random girls to pull me out Fuck that pipe. Those kids are idiots but that whole shaft situation was an accident waiting to happen.

Yeah, yeah it was haha. I personally prefer to just take my own equipment to places like that, They handled that situation all sorts of poorly.

Posted by Freak I've gone up the main part of that shaft hand-over-hand on a rope, while drunk, without much for footholds. However, I then got my old fat ass stuck in the stupid 16" pipe at the top and had to get a bunch of random girls to pull me out Fuck that pipe. Those kids are idiots but that whole shaft situation was an accident waiting to happen.

Meh it didn't go as smooth as planned but you didn't call 911 and extracted your own self... more or less

Posted by blackhawk Meh it didn't go as smooth as planned but you didn't call 911 and extracted your own self... more or less

it was more of their friend freaking and busting them as they were trying to get out, but that dose not excuse ignorance. not everyone is fit for this kind of activity.

Posted by The Dead Hooker In Your Trunk it was more of their friend freaking and busting them as they were trying to get out, but that dose not excuse ignorance. not everyone is fit for this kind of activity.

Also I think it's important to realize that sometimes you need to call for help rather than let your friends die because 1) they think they can do it on their own and 2) you don't want to be a snitch. I lost a brother to that stupid shit and its just not worth it. Props to that kid.

Posted by ChvsingxGhxsts Also I think it's important to realize that sometimes you need to call for help rather than let your friends die because 1) they think they can do it on their own and 2) you don't want to be a snitch. I lost a brother to that stupid shit and its just not worth it. Props to that kid.

they repeatedly pleaded for their friend not to, so they could find a way out with out busting the sport or getting in trouble. the friend ignored them and got the police involved, that should not have taken place. there are ways of solving this problem without the Involvement of the police, the kid was in the wrong for doing so.

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..Thats a perfect fucking map, I haven't seen that In a while, thank you.

Posted by The Dead Hooker In Your Trunk they repeatedly pleaded for their friend not to, so they could find a way out with out busting the sport or getting in trouble. the friend ignored them and got the police involved, that should not have taken place. there are ways of solving this problem without the Involvement of the police, the kid was in the wrong for doing so.

I disagree. While it sucks that they ruined that spot for everyone else, I would say that's the product of their poor decision making and planning. They never should have attempted that, they were in over their heads. However, they did, and if it hadn't been for the fact that clean air could make its way to those kids, they would have died trying to make their escape without police involvement, if you had it your way. As it is, it took professional rescue personnel two hours to get to them, so even with involvement, a lack of clean air could give them a narrow window of opportunity to be saved. If the third kid decided to roll the dice and the circumstances hadn't been so fortunate, you'd have two dead MSP kids AND a closed tunnel. Even if in this situation they could have perhaps made it out given as there was clean air and they could somehow manage to find another way out (which sounds unlikely given the measures taken to seal the place off), that would be purely specific to this occasion, so the principle still stands that the circumstances regarding air quality/quantity and other such factors were unknown, and gambling with life to avoid upsetting the local UER's is unwise. Besides, if you die, they're gonna smell you eventually and they're gonna find you, and they're gonna close off the spot anyway, aside from the obvious other reasons why loss of life is unfortunate.

you seem to fail to understand that this was not a life or death situation, the air levels are unknown because they did not test it, but they are right under a vent shaft, so air should not even be a matter of concern. they were very capable of getting out without involvement of others, if it came down to them needing assistance, the friend could have gone and bought supplies to help them.

regardless there are solutions to this problem. they wanted to stay down there to figure things out. the friend panicked. got cops involved. but though they could have gotten out safely, they also made poor choices, not having supplies, not having good ropes, and a clearly untrust worthy friend.

Posted by The Dead Hooker In Your Trunk it was more of their friend freaking and busting them as they were trying to get out, but that dose not excuse ignorance. not everyone is fit for this kind of activity.

Stupid choices all way round with them.
No surprise there

Posted by ChvsingxGhxsts Also I think it's important to realize that sometimes you need to call for help rather than let your friends die because 1) they think they can do it on their own and 2) you don't want to be a snitch. I lost a brother to that stupid shit and its just not worth it. Props to that kid.

This wasn't one them.
No injuries other than stupidity.
They could have pulled them out.
The weasel on top needed to do some serious dead lifts for reps and pull one out. And so on.

The caller put real accident victims at risk because they didn't see their shit through.
They put the rescuers at risk by not cleaning up their own mess.
The pussy kid panicked.
People like this are nothing but trouble for everyone.

Posted by blackhawk Stupid choices all way round with them. No surprise there This wasn't one them. No injuries other than stupidity. They could have pulled them out. The weasel on top needed to do some serious dead lifts for reps and pull one out. And so on. The caller put real accident victims at risk because they didn't see their shit through. They put the rescuers at risk by not cleaning up their own mess. The pussy kid panicked. People like this are nothing but trouble for everyone.

Well put

Posted by The Dead Hooker In Your Trunk you seem to fail to understand that this was not a life or death situation, the air levels are unknown because they did not test it, but they are right under a vent shaft, so air should not even be a matter of concern. they were very capable of getting out without involvement of others, if it came down to them needing assistance, the friend could have gone and bought supplies to help them.

Well I'm sure you know more about the tunnels than I do, having lived there, so if you could truly know that the air quality and stuff is fine by being under a vent shaft, then perhaps its different, yet there are still other factors other than air, so I don't really think what I said is completely a mute point. And honestly, and this is speculation, but I'm assuming these are younger kids who don't know as much as the vets on this forum, so fault them for being ignorant if you want, its completely justified, but also be cognizant that maybe these kids, or specifically the third kid, didn't know that it was not life or death, because it seems like you'd agree with me when I say that if it is indeed life or death, which he very well may have thought, he did what he was supposed to do. To reiterate, that doesn't mean that in this specific case it was the best course of action, but if he didn't know, he did the best he could.

This wasn't one them. No injuries other than stupidity.

And for this, like I said above, no, this may not have been one of them, but the thing is, you personally have been around long enough to know that. I'm sure you'd be quite happy if everyone was as knowledgeable as you Blackhawk, saying that in a completely genuine way, that would make this a whole lot easier and situations like this would be avoided. However, obviously not everyone is that aware, so, again, fault them for being ignorant, but I believe he did the best he could given his intellectual handicap haha. And yeah, there were no injuries, but with something like air quality there doesn't have to be injuries for your buddies to suddenly pass out due to lack of oxygen, to which you may reply as the OP did "well that wasn't an issue", yeah, but I say again, if they didn't know that, well then, the reality of the situation doesn't really matter, does it?

All in all, essentially just trying to put it out there that there is a line that needs to be drawn in order to save people. Like I said earlier, I have a personal experience with a death that could have been prevented if someone had just picked up the phone. With this specific event, I'm just trying to float some scenarios that would justify the actions of what may have been a terrified and uninformed kid as simply the best that he could do. In the case that what I said above is wrong, and he knew about the air vent, and he knew it was doable, and that it was not a life or death situation, then yeah, f*ck that kid, but I doubt he would do such a thing if he knew, and if he would he's a grade A dick. But since we don't know, maybe tear him a new ass for being ignorant, but cut the kid the tiniest slices of slack.

*Modified to fix grammar

There was no emergency or rush.
The least they could have done was try to work it out instead of panicking like a 10 yo.
No reason a couple guys couldn't have pulled them out.
The rescuers aren't allowed to take short cuts; you are.
Whatever it takes.

There holes I would have liked to go down... there's a reason I can write this post.
I didn't!
There are little death traps I did go down into, but only after I reasoned out at least one alternative escape plan.

The 'I can always call for help' mindset rather than 'I will do this' is a recipe for failure.
There is no try.
Do it or bug out.