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< Reply # 20 on 3/24/2017 5:19 AM >
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My only experience with the police was at an abandoned hospital in New York City. As I was exiting the building with my friend, I saw two regular-looking guys heading toward me. I loudly said "Hey, how's it going?" thinking they were other people exploring. When they got closer they flashed their badges and I immediately thought it was over for us.

However, We explained that we were just taking pictures. They were polite and told us it wasn't safe to be in the building. It probably helped that I was a small white female. They let us leave after checking our hands and my friend's bag for spray paint.

I agree that cops are just people trying to do their job. Don't give them a hard time and they probably won't give you one.




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< Reply # 21 on 4/2/2017 4:24 PM >
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No police while urban exploring yet...
But there were some security encounters. So if you're interested in them too, you should check out this video for more information:





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< Reply # 22 on 4/2/2017 4:31 PM >
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My only experience with the police was at an abandoned hospital in New York City. As I was exiting the building with my friend, I saw two regular-looking guys heading toward me. I loudly said "Hey, how's it going?" thinking they were other people exploring. When they got closer they flashed their badges and I immediately thought it was over for us.

However, We explained that we were just taking pictures. They were polite and told us it wasn't safe to be in the building. It probably helped that I was a small white female. They let us leave after checking our hands and my friend's bag for spray paint.

I agree that cops are just people trying to do their job. Don't give them a hard time and they probably won't give you one.



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< Reply # 23 on 4/5/2017 4:41 AM >
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Had my second police encounter tonight. Me and a group of friend's were going to this abandoned factory at night. This place is in a generally bad area so we were on guard. We had been here once previously so we parked a block away and were following the same path we took last time. I saw nobody driving by or around the property so it seemed all clear.

As we were walking around the rear into an old truck delivery area I saw headlights on the bushes coming around the corner. A police car with its flood lights on pulled in and parked facing us. We stood there and stayed where we were facing his car and made sure non of us had our hands in our pockets. I waited until he acknowledged us to approach his vehicle. He was really nice right from the start, asking the usual what are we doing questions. I said we were walking around the building exploring and he jokingly goes "you aren't planning on tagging anything up are ya?"

As we are giving him our info two more police cars come flying around the corner. He goes "we come out in force" with a smile. And for good reason, as I said the area isn't to great. The other two officers, while not as friendly and joking as the first one, were still very courteous. They went into how they constantly pulled out overdoses from this building and run into people stealing copper. He talked about how it's extremely dangerous with holes in the ground and how officers have almost fallen through chasing people. He also mentioned awhile back someone was playing on the roof and fell through and ended up dying.

I noticed one of the officers was prying for information and every time I looked up he was staring at me right in the eyes and not saying a word. Kind of made me uncomfortable in all honesty. They told us if we were found inside the building they would have ticketed us. In the end they let us go after running our names and gave us the lecture about how we shouldn't come back and if we were found there again we would be cited. Overall nice encounter as they were just doing there jobs.


As others have said. treat them with respect and you will most of the time get it back. You are going to be asked a lot of questions. Avoid lying as much as possible because if you lie, you better be sure you can stick to that story. Police will generally ask you questions multiple times in different ways to see if you change your story at all. And by the time you realize it, you are already screwed.



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< Reply # 24 on 4/14/2017 4:40 PM >
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Hey has anyone here had any police experiences? I'm a bit skeptical about exploring although I have a strong interest in it. I've explored many places now but I'm only 16 and my parents don't know I partake in these activities. What's the best way to get out of an arrest or charges?


The best way to get out of charges? Be compliant, be honest, and be respectful. If all you're doing is trespassing as a 16 year old, you're probably more likely to get out of a citation for this than you would speeding. Having an excuse to be there can help to, but don't make up some grandiose story (saying you were just curious what was inside, and stating that in hindsight you realize that going in was dangerous, is probably your best option). Just be honest with the officers, they're people too, most don't take any pleasure in issuing citations. In most states, trespassing can be a misdemeanor crime, which means you CAN be arrested for it, but this is unlikely. Arresting a minor is a royal pain in the ass, you can't just be hauled away to big-boy jail like an adult.

This goes without saying, but breaking things or tagging is an awful idea. Some states (Colorado, for example) define burglary as entering or remaining unlawfully in a building OR occupied structure and committing another crime therein other than the unlawful entry. This means that if you are trespassing in a building, and you vandalise the place (criminal mischief), you may have just committed burglary, which is usually a felony (depending on where you are).

In the end the only way to ensure you won't be charged with a crime is to not commit the crime. UrbEx is an amazing hobby, and provides incredible experiences, but you need to accept the risk. Anytime you trespass, you risk criminal charges AND civil liability. There's no getting around this. If you aren't willing to risk criminal charges during UrbEx, there's nothing wrong with that. It just means that this probably isn't for you. Consider the risk versus the reward, and determine if this is something you REALLY want to do.



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< Reply # 25 on 4/15/2017 5:22 AM >
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The best way to get out of charges? Be compliant, be honest, and be respectful. If all you're doing is trespassing as a 16 year old, you're probably more likely to get out of a citation for this than you would speeding. Having an excuse to be there can help to, but don't make up some grandiose story (saying you were just curious what was inside, and stating that in hindsight you realize that going in was dangerous, is probably your best option). Just be honest with the officers, they're people too, most don't take any pleasure in issuing citations. In most states, trespassing can be a misdemeanor crime, which means you CAN be arrested for it, but this is unlikely. Arresting a minor is a royal pain in the ass, you can't just be hauled away to big-boy jail like an adult.

This goes without saying, but breaking things or tagging is an awful idea. Some states (Colorado, for example) define burglary as entering or remaining unlawfully in a building OR occupied structure and committing another crime therein other than the unlawful entry. This means that if you are trespassing in a building, and you vandalise the place (criminal mischief), you may have just committed burglary, which is usually a felony (depending on where you are).

In the end the only way to ensure you won't be charged with a crime is to not commit the crime. UrbEx is an amazing hobby, and provides incredible experiences, but you need to accept the risk. Anytime you trespass, you risk criminal charges AND civil liability. There's no getting around this. If you aren't willing to risk criminal charges during UrbEx, there's nothing wrong with that. It just means that this probably isn't for you. Consider the risk versus the reward, and determine if this is something you REALLY want to do.



Very well worded and composed for a 17 yo

I pretty much agree with most of this except trespassing it's self is not always a crime unless the intent or end result was to commit a crime.
Furthermore there plenty of places you can explore with little or no risk legally.
It's as risky as you chose to make it.
Some places it's best to leave be especially when it's obvious someone is securing and/or maintaining it*.
Know that states laws. B&E is a serious crime in all states; know that state law pertaining to this especially.
Avoid trespassing on federal properties especially active military bases.

Some of the best places I ever explored were with permission; there's more than one way to skin the cat.
You don't have to become a criminal to be an urban explorer...


*That goes double for houses!




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< Reply # 26 on 7/15/2017 12:34 AM >
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minors get less legal punishment if they are just trespassing.

Speaking from experience, this is the best strategy if you're caught. It also really helps if you have a clean record.

Officers make a lot of tough calls throughout their careers. You might know that your intentions were pure, but they don't know that until you show them. A camera is a nice prop but you need to give them the respect to prove that you're of good moral character. Give them any reason not to haul in/tarnish a minor's good standing.

As so many have said, be polite and respectful, and for the love of God don't be high. Good luck, man




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< Reply # 27 on 10/2/2017 3:23 AM >
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Like plenty of people have said, being honest if you get caught will definitely help. I bumped into a guard once (at that specific site they just have security guards instead of police officers, I don't exactly know the true extent of their authority) and he was surprisingly lenient. He could tell that we didn't intend to cause any trouble so he just told us to be careful because many of the floors were getting faulty and there had been reports of people falling through. I think it's safe to say that you won't run into a lenient officer on every occasion, but as long as they can tell you're just exploring and not vandalizing or whatever you should be fine.

When it comes to telling parents what you're up to, I don't think you have to be honest about that as long as you have no problem giving white lies about it. I'm only a little older and I still give false whereabouts to my parents, since I know they'd react badly to "oh yeah don't worry I'm just trespassing on an abandoned building with faulty floors and heroin needles lying around." Obviously, if you end up getting in a good amount of trouble they'll find out either way, but if you don't do anything dumb it shouldn't get to that point.

I definitely agree with everyone that has stated that officers are often responding to cases more severe than merely exploring, which leads them to be more lenient with explorers.




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I've had the pleasure of being caught by a security guy on camera in a construction site. The place was between 2 streets + 1 big street so 3 sides where fenced and the 4th side was right on another building, night time. He called the cops as I was starting to head up to the rooftop (the cops told me the guard saw me through a camera aimed at the staircases).


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As I headed down on the ground floor, after spending 15-20 minutes of clueless exploration. I hear someone screaming something but I wasn't sure if it was for me as I was downtown, so it could've very well been somebody else... I hear someone else scream "hey, come by the gate". So... I naturally panicked, I avoid him and rushed at the other side of the building (also fenced) where I see 2 cops waiting for me on the outside. I tried to be sneaky and not get caught by moving around the equipment. As I tried to moved away from the cops (into the big street), one of them hears me and gets to me before I was able to hop the fence...

I don't remember exactly how it went down but they were pretty much asking me if I had suicidal thought. I said no, that I was simply going up there for the view -- to get away... He then explained to me how dangerous it was for me to be in there and that they would've have to eventually go in there looking for me, thus also putting them in danger I apologized, remain calmed and listened and agreed to everything they told me. They give me a $65 ticket and went on their way. (it was ~10:00pm so I hope I didn't got a criminal record without knowing about it!)

Overall it was pretty chilled, no-one got shot, no-one was handcuffed and no-one got beaten down. They searched my backpack and an officer had to leave before the others because his wife broke water... No, I'm not joking, I'm serious, the officer got a phone call right in the middle of his partner's speech and went on his way...

That's my story, well part of it... There's a lot more but I spared the details or maybe go more in dept another time.




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First of all, please keep in mind that when you are under the age of 18 (in the US anyway) and engage in something seemingly benign yet illegal (like trespassing), anyone that gets caught with you that is not a minor could be in a whole, whole lot more trouble than had you not been there. When I say, "a whole lot more," I mean that what would be a citation has suddenly become a felony in some states. In other words, let people know your age prior to exploring with them so that they can make an informed decision. I've run into a couple issues because of the age thing and I personally do not feel comfortable being held responsible for the actions of another - especially one that is underage!

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To answer your question, I've had several run ins with police over the years and I don't think I have once been searched (my person, anyways, my car is another story). There were a couple incidents where I offered them my backpack and every time I was told something along the lines of, "no, that won't be necessary." I find that interesting, because I've had my car searched, been interrogated, and sobriety tested for something as benign as pulling off the road to sleep and being awoken by the sound of a maglight tapping the side of my window. This has happened several times, actually.

I've had some very negative experiences with police and the like, but I've also had some very positive ones as well - not to mention everything in between. It's been said already, but it's a risk you take. I used to play tournament poker, so I look at it kind of like when I sat down at a poker table and had to decide "when to hold em and when to fold em." Also similar to poker, I try to not let my desires or emotions or whatever convince me to make a poor choice where the risk is greater than the reward. No advice is going to be perfect for every situation because every situation is so unique and the environment will always be very dynamic. One thing that you will learn to improve upon however, is your ability to instinctively and accurately analyzing those constantly changing situations. Your confidence in doing so will also improve in proportion with your experience.




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Hey has anyone here had any police experiences? I'm a bit skeptical about exploring although I have a strong interest in it. I've explored many places now but I'm only 16 and my parents don't know I partake in these activities. What's the best way to get out of an arrest or charges?


Why does your profile say your 27 then?




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I know this is a good couple months old, but I would say you should tell your parents. I started urbexing when I was just turning 17 and I had let my parents know soon after that. I pretty much always let them know where I'm going, just so if anything happens they're not clueless. Also, I've never personally ran into police, only a few "landlords" and construction workers.




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oh man I feel pretty unlucky. It seems like I've had way more police encounters than most here. Certainly over 10, and 2 of them ended in some pretty steep charges. Just don't get too comfortable. I think thats my problem. Anything can happen at any time.




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oh man I feel pretty unlucky. It seems like I've had way more police encounters than most here. Certainly over 10, and 2 of them ended in some pretty steep charges. Just don't get too comfortable. I think thats my problem. Anything can happen at any time.


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In the last 20 years I've had dozens police encounters and 2 with the FBI.
Not all were exploring proper related. Most were not bad, some were helpful, even fun, but it only takes one that goes sour to really become an expensive real little nightmare of wait and see.
No criminal record here; LEOs hate to bust or throw a criminal record on a nice guy who is truthful and complaint. That takes some doing especially when dealing with a pissed off cop(s). Done that at least a half dozen times, not fun.

It helps your cause to put yourself in their shoes, but know where their line is.
Don't slam the shutter release if it doesn't seem right.
Remember most cops are people persons.
Always be compliant when dealing with LEOs (frowning and an red angry face can sometimes say what's needed without words).

All that said...
People are trouble.




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Simple rule in life. Break one rule/law at a time. If you're exploring then don't have drugs on you. If you're exploring don't keep burglary tools on your person (stash the lock pick, etc). If you're exploring and get caught it's a perfect time to remember that manners matter. Yes sir and no sir. Dress less like panic at the disco and more like respectable kid who is doing a photography project for school. Don't tell a lie that's easy to verify. If he ask your name tell him your name. Have your ID. Lose any and all attitude. Be very grateful if you are turned lose. Don't crack inappropriate jokes. Terrorism jokes probably not a good idea. And try your best to relax but not to the point that it seems as if you talk to cops every other day because you get busted.




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Simple rule in life. Break one rule/law at a time. If you're exploring then don't have drugs on you. If you're exploring don't keep burglary tools on your person (stash the lock pick, etc). If you're exploring and get caught it's a perfect time to remember that manners matter. Yes sir and no sir. Dress less like panic at the disco and more like respectable kid who is doing a photography project for school. Don't tell a lie that's easy to verify. If he ask your name tell him your name. Have your ID. Lose any and all attitude. Be very grateful if you are turned lose. Don't crack inappropriate jokes. Terrorism jokes probably not a good idea. And try your best to relax but not to the point that it seems as if you talk to cops every other day because you get busted.


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Simple rule in life. Break one rule/law at a time. If you're exploring then don't have drugs on you. If you're exploring don't keep burglary tools on your person (stash the lock pick, etc). If you're exploring and get caught it's a perfect time to remember that manners matter. Yes sir and no sir. Dress less like panic at the disco and more like respectable kid who is doing a photography project for school. Don't tell a lie that's easy to verify. If he ask your name tell him your name. Have your ID. Lose any and all attitude. Be very grateful if you are turned lose. Don't crack inappropriate jokes. Terrorism jokes probably not a good idea. And try your best to relax but not to the point that it seems as if you talk to cops every other day because you get busted.


Rule 1 with LEOs; never lie when the truth would serve you better.
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Rule 1 with LEOs; never lie when the truth would serve you better.
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If you must lie, always lie by omission.


most cops are stupid bullies that are easy to read and easy to bullshit.




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I've had some extremely close calls with security but nothing yet with police. Hell, I haven't even had an encounter with security.




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