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YotaMan20
Location: Washington Gender: Male Total Likes: 250 likes
| | | Re: Is it UE or not? < Reply # 22 on 6/22/2016 8:50 PM > | Reply with Quote
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| Amos
Location: MSP Total Likes: 37 likes
| | | Re: Is it UE or not? < Reply # 28 on 6/23/2016 9:51 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I'm inclined to join the "go where you want and don't worry if it's UE or not" camp, but I also like thinking about categories, so here goes. Caves are a tricky one. On one hand, Caving is its own thing and has its own communities. But on the other hand, in some places where caves are directly attached to the other location types (buildings, tunnels, drains, etc.), it doesn't make sense to exclude them. If I hop from a sewer to a cave back into the sewer, is only the sewer UE? Maybe the "urban" in "urban exploration" is less about the rural vs. urban distinction and more about the man-made vs. naturally occurring distinction. Caves distinguish themselves from all the other location types mentioned in this thread by being the only naturally occurring type. But to complicate things, you then have to consider man-made caves. Obviously it doesn't make sense to consider man-made caves "UE" while considering natural caves "caving". I explored an underground creek recently, which of course consists of both a natural and a man-made component. The creek ran underground for a mile or two, after which it surfaced and ran above ground. Traversing the underground portion of the creek felt like UE. Walking the above-ground portion didn't. I don't buy that UE has to involve trespassing per se, because there's so many other aspects of the hobby that make it enjoyable, such as the appreciation of architecture, understanding history, enjoying strange acoustics or the aesthetic of decay, free climbing, rope-work, photography, and so forth.... rather than just the thrill of being somewhere you're not supposed to be. Legal explores are sometimes the best explores. So, it seems to me as if it's not very useful to say that UE involves either man-made or natural locations, surface or subterranean, legal or illegal, urban or rural or aquatic. It just involves enjoying yourself and not taking it too seriously. Categories are fun to think about, but fuck, it's almost 5am.
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| mahal
Location: Atlanta, GA Gender: Female Total Likes: 72 likes
3:16
| | | Re: Is it UE or not? < Reply # 29 on 6/23/2016 12:44 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Darendor I have been waiting for over 3 years. Let's play Connect 4 and wait together.
| Down. If you're comfortable with losing repeatedly. Posted by Amos I don't buy that UE has to involve trespassing per se, because there's so many other aspects of the hobby that make it enjoyable, such as the appreciation of architecture, understanding history, enjoying strange acoustics or the aesthetic of decay, free climbing, rope-work, photography, and so forth.... rather than just the thrill of being somewhere you're not supposed to be. Legal explores are sometimes the best explores.
| ......... but laws were made to be broken?Just kidding (maybe). But no I think "where you're not suppose to be" / "where people do not normally go" fits in illegal and legal exploring. I just know, personally, I enjoy the additional thrill of "I'm not suppose to be here". That's just me.
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| Radical_Ed
Location: Philadelphia, PA, USA Gender: Male Total Likes: 2728 likes
"You work your life away and what do they give? You're only killing yourself to live!"
| | | Re: Is it UE or not? < Reply # 35 on 6/24/2016 9:57 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | UE to me is an abandoned something. If it's active, in-use or under construction, it's just advantageous photography/adventure. I guess what I do could be considered a subgenre, but if it's not an abandoned building or manmade structure, I really don't consider it part of my main hobby. I do it enough, taking photos of old train bridges or quarries or whatever, but it's not UE IMHO. It's too broad a spectrum to pigeonhole with one phrase, kind of like the phrase "Heavy Metal". I take a lot of non-abandonment photos, but I keep that facet of myself away from the business of wandering around abandoned shitholes.
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| Aran
Location: Kansas City Gender: Male Total Likes: 1848 likes
Huh. I guess covid made me a trendsetter.
| | | Re: Is it UE or not? < Reply # 37 on 7/11/2016 2:49 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Many explorers will argue that to be considered UE, an activity must take place in or around a building, mine, drain, etc that is either abandoned, disused, or under construction. Some will argue that it requires a camera as well. That's all well and good. I personally see UE in a broader light. To me, urban exploration isn't so much about the location as it is about how you look at the world. Walking along some old train tracks or poking around under bridges can be UE to me just as much as sneaking into an abandoned factory is. For me, urban exploration is about seeing the world around you in a way that focuses on what most people's eyes skim past, and finding a way to portray that artistically- even if you're the only one who will ever see it. Entering abandoned buildings is only one facet of the hobby to me. But that's just my opinion, and this hobby is built around acting independently, defying classification, and working on the fringes of society. By its nature, it's doubtful any two people share an exact definition of what urban exploration is, and that's one of the most interesting parts of it.
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| "Sorry, I didn't know I'm not supposed to be here," he said, knowing full well he wasn't supposed to be there. |
| Steed
Location: Edmonton/Seoul Gender: Male Total Likes: 2663 likes
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| | | | Re: Is it UE or not? < Reply # 39 on 7/11/2016 3:57 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Aran Many explorers will argue that to be considered UE, an activity must take place in or around a building, mine, drain, etc that is either abandoned, disused, or under construction. Some will argue that it requires a camera as well. That's all well and good. I personally see UE in a broader light. To me, urban exploration isn't so much about the location as it is about how you look at the world. Walking along some old train tracks or poking around under bridges can be UE to me just as much as sneaking into an abandoned factory is. For me, urban exploration is about seeing the world around you in a way that focuses on what most people's eyes skim past, and finding a way to portray that artistically- even if you're the only one who will ever see it. Entering abandoned buildings is only one facet of the hobby to me. But that's just my opinion, and this hobby is built around acting independently, defying classification, and working on the fringes of society. By its nature, it's doubtful any two people share an exact definition of what urban exploration is, and that's one of the most interesting parts of it.
| I agree with you, and in a way when I go out exploring, I consider everything I do from stepping outside to coming home to be part of urban exploring. Yesterday, I jumped on my scooter and rode across town to run down a possible tip on an abandoned area. I checked the status of some old buildings on the way, drove over top of a subway line under construction looking for possible open doors, found a completely unrelated abandoned neighbourhood on a mountainside, then I climbed the mountain, and finally got to the target area, which I found completely unabandoned, with a nice traditional market street running right through the middle that I took a walk through to get candid pictures. Not all the components are strictly UE, but taken together it was.
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