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UER Forum > UE Main > Freefallin'... Hellholes are Real (Viewed 39246 times)
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Re: Freefallin'... Hellholes are Real
< Reply # 20 on 5/10/2016 9:46 PM >
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Not really... Welcome to hell.


Shit I thought I made it out too.




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I also think the kid RescueMe is talking about got charged..or almost got charged for breaking into it. If he was exploring by himself..that woulda been a horrible way to die too. Trapped in a dark bunker with a busted leg.




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< Reply # 22 on 5/11/2016 1:02 AM >
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Once upon a time the PSW had a very well hidden and secret entrance to a bunker complex in the mountains of the Golden Gate. Well, too much talking and posting about it publicly in the forums inspired egg-shell minded children to go out and explore it on their own. By this time the park service had already filled in the entrance as best they could (not well enough) and cut the rebar ladder leading down into the complex.

A group of kids brand new to exploring found the entrance b/c of this forum, rigged up their own rappelling "gear" and proceeded down the entrance shaft where the rebar ladder used to be (I'd say a 35-40ft drop). Well guess what, the rope system they were using *snapped* and the kid fell to the bottom of the shaft. Survived but in bad shape. Local FD had to come out, break the welds on the blast doors and enter from the ground floor. That kid went to the hospital. His friends and the entire rescue Op ended up in the media.

Since that time the bunker complex has never been explored again.

Kid made a profile on here after his recovery and posted in the forum one time, and then never came back.

IDIOT.


Umm, is IDIOT his user name?
Complete_FUCKTARD be appropriate too.
Getting a bunker complex sealed deserves a PB. They prolly back filled it because of him...




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Getting back on the free falling issue.... you might make it out, and you may be one of the lucky ones like GS. But, let me assure you. You can't just grow a new spine. Oh, they can put your back together again with rods and screws, bone grafts and such, But, you will always hurt and you will always have problems. Your spine works with your brain as the control center of your entire body, The recovery is very LONG, tedious and frustrating... *If you Do recover*. Listen to me.....its not worth your bones and back to get that AWESOME shot. Do explore, Do have fun, Do be cautious!



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I also think the kid RescueMe is talking about got charged..or almost got charged for breaking into it. If he was exploring by himself..that woulda been a horrible way to die too. Trapped in a dark bunker with a busted leg.




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< Reply # 25 on 5/18/2016 3:53 AM >
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Once had a hellhole directly underneath a POE. It was an half built house, and the window was next to the staircase to the basement. The workers had just tossed a thin piece of plastic the same color as the wood over the hole, and it gave under my weight when I climbed through the window. I was still holding on to the window frame, so I was able to pull myself up, but it was rather unnerving.

It was only a ten foot fall down some stairs, but it was enough to drive the point home. Probably not lethal, but... people have broken their necks from less, after all.




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Quarter inch plate welded on anchor plates be better. Too much trouble to save a life I guess...

Does anyone know about this KIA or the area of the Fremantle power station were he fell?

http://www.watoday...160502-gok5jb.html


It's not super clear from the articles I've read, but it seems like he was trying to climb the (old, rusted, not very strong) window frames like a ladder to get to the second floor or maybe the roof of the second floor. It used to be accessible by stairs but those were cut down.

Pic I found on GIS of some window climbers.



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< Reply # 27 on 5/18/2016 4:45 PM >
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It's not super clear from the articles I've read, but it seems like he was trying to climb the (old, rusted, not very strong) window frames like a ladder to get to the second floor or maybe the roof of the second floor. It used to be accessible by stairs but those were cut down.
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He cleared the window and made it up to the 2nd level. It was then he fell through an opening in the floor. Not watching were he was stepping...

Screaming at someone when they're climbing only distracts them, what a dumb cunt for doing that... choose your sploring partners wisely.




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damnband posted this story in the SE Forum:
http://www.uer.ca/...=1&threadid=122733

Another 40 foot free fall to oblivion.
Skylights as mentioned earlier in this thread can present a special hazard on a otherwise sound roof. If they blend in with the roof such as in a corrugated metal roof with corrugated fiberglass skylight panels that are blacken by dirt or paint, they can be almost invisible.
At 30+ feet there is no room for error. Walk slowly, and don't think twice about aborting it!
Walking on the perimeter and on beams is generally a safer bet. On sketchy roofs and floors retrace you ingress during egress. If possible survey the roof or floor from below first.
A walking stick can save your life; use to balance but also tap and probe ahead of you.




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< Reply # 29 on 5/19/2016 4:03 AM >
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He cleared the window and made it up to the 2nd level. It was then he fell through an opening in the floor. Not watching were he was stepping...


He must have been right up on top of the building, that's the only place where there's a hole in the floor with that big of a drop below. I've never been that far up but I know it's possible because there's always new graffiti up there.

Screaming at someone when they're climbing only distracts them, what a dumb cunt for doing that... choose your sploring partners wisely.


She was most likely a bystander. There's a popular dog beach on one side of the power station and a new housing development on the other. The power station's also very popular with graffiti writers and photographers. On a fine Saturday afternoon there's usually upwards of 50 people in the vicinity.





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< Reply # 30 on 5/19/2016 8:15 AM >
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Seeing this hole was an eye opener. I'm usually on the lookout for the little death traps, but it's even harder to predict when half the building is going to


I always take a look from ground level (looking through windows), before entering building to see if it has collapsed floors or parts of rooftop. If i see similar views,most of the cases it stops my 'appetite' for exploring it.

Thanks for advice, it's a good reminder.






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He must have been right up on top of the building, that's the only place where there's a hole in the floor with that big of a drop below. I've never been that far up but I know it's possible because there's always new graffiti up there.




I take you are an Aussie?
Perhaps he wonder over to another section if he did climb to the roof. 35 meter drop is what they claim and this 2nd story also says 2nd floor. Than again the mother is calling to make it "safe". It was her son that needed to play safe.
http://www.watoday...160511-gosbw0.html

We also have a name of the KIA, Todd Rowlinson.
I really hope no one here knows them or any involved. No more UER KIAs from falls from intact catwalks or through hellholes; watch were you are walking!

You need to keep focus when exploring on moving around safely, this needs to be your primary task. Stop and plant yourself before doing anything that distracts you from it. Even if it's to move one step... make this a rule for yourself. Learn from others mistakes and keep it with your own.







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I usually try to keep close to a wall or known support beam when I am walking on floors I don't trust 100%.

I was recently exploring with two friends who hadn't really done this sort of thing before. We were at the few remaining buildings of what was once a massive steel plant here. The best remaining building is several stories high and is a maze of walkways and staircases.
Many of the floors and walkways are that mesh steel grate, these always sketch me out the most. I instructed my friends to follow me, walk exactly where I walk and do exactly as I do. Hold on hand rails whenever you can, keep your weight as evenly distributed as possible and always try to walk on the large steel support beams beneath the steel grates. They decided not to venture up to the top floor with me. I was a bit sketched out up there and did not venture to far. Upon meeting back up with my friends on the ground floor we heard a loud crash from the top floor. We looked up to see rust and metal bits falling down from where I had just been walking not 5 minutes earlier.

When I was at KPPC a few years back some of the sections of grates on the second floor of the power building had been removed leaving huge holes in the floor. Easy enough to spot during the day. But if someone was in there at night and not paying enough attention they would be in for a nasty surprise.



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I fell through a rotting wooden factory floor once, and a plywood-covered door that was laid over a machine square cut out of concrete, a good fifteen feet above another concrete floor.
Both times I could've easily died.
I didn't.
I didn't even spill my beer or drop my camera.
Krush was there for both of them.
Fuck it.




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I take you are an Aussie?
Perhaps he wonder over to another section if he did climb to the roof. 35 meter drop is what they claim and this 2nd story also says 2nd floor. Than again the mother is calling to make it "safe". It was her son that needed to play safe.
http://www.watoday...160511-gosbw0.html

We also have a name of the KIA, Todd Rowlinson.
I really hope no one here knows them or any involved. No more UER KIAs from falls from intact catwalks or through hellholes; watch were you are walking!

You need to keep focus when exploring on moving around safely, this needs to be your primary task. Stop and plant yourself before doing anything that distracts you from it. Even if it's to move one step... make this a rule for yourself. Learn from others mistakes and keep it with your own.






Yeah mate I'm from Perth, about 25 kilometres from the power station. I've been there a few times. It's been overexposed for years but still worth visiting due to its sheer size. I've never been on the roof at the very top because I lack the bravery and climbing skills, but you can see the numerous holes where there used to be chimneys from beneath. Also I've seen photos of the roof.

Honestly I've seen so many people climb up there that I reckon this poor bastard was just unlucky.




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This thread has really been eye-opening. I need to pay a lot more attention to floor integrity when exploring.




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This thread has really been eye-opening. I need to pay a lot more attention to floor integrity when exploring.


Falls, structural failures and collapses are the biggest hazards explorers face.
Not being fully aware of your surroundings and potential dangers, which can be many is asking to be maimed or KIA.
The results can be instant and traumatic.
Once you are there, you're there!

When climbing, as in exploring you are in full control. There is no reason to fall except your own failure. Abort a climb if you think it's too risky or not safely doable. There is no "if I fall", once in a free fall you have lost control and with it perhaps your life as you knew it. Think before you do it, and with each and every move you make. Every move counts... and a wrong one may go on your permanent record.

I'll craw out on bloody broken limbs if I have to before calling for help!
Calling for rescue or a body removal screws up the site for future explorers.
It's to your benefit and the sites to not get whacked.




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When climbing, as in exploring you are in full control. There is no reason to fall except your own failure. Abort a climb if you think it's too risky or not safely doable. There is no "if I fall", once in a free fall you have lost control and with it perhaps your life as you knew it. Think before you do it, and with each and every move you make. Every move counts... and a wrong one may go on your permanent record.


How do you feel about climbing harnesses? I used to work at a local ISP we'd use them to climb water and cell towers. Even though I've never come close to falling myself, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.



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How do you feel about climbing harnesses? I used to work at a local ISP we'd use them to climb water and cell towers. Even though I've never come close to falling myself, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.


The only catch: what are you using for an anchor, and how confident are you that it won't fail?

I used to do construction as well as operations and maintenance on wind turbines. We'd climb 300-350' wearing a full body harness with deployable leg straps so if you did fall and couldn't self-recover, you'd deploy the leg straps to stand in and take the weight off your thighs to prevent suspension trauma.

I can see why a climbing harness sounds like a good idea, but if you're not fully prepared to deal with the possible failure of your anchor point, or the rope getting stuck and leaving you hanging... you're still at risk of being KIA.




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How do you feel about climbing harnesses? I used to work at a local ISP we'd use them to climb water and cell towers. Even though I've never come close to falling myself, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.


I'm old school. I was taught how to climb a straight uncaged ladder safely long after I climbed my first high tree at 6.
I don't like harnesses one bit for free climbing unless it's for rappelling or mountain climbing, etc. You fall with a harness on its not a free ride. Hanging trauma or impacts with steel can still maim or kill you. Worse where a clean fall might have left you better off than a harness ride head first into a piece of steel.

Too many times I heard kids in safety harness training say 'if I fall'... falling is never an option, it's death. They aren't taught how to climb like I was and think the harness will save them. Fools. It does however protect the company from high insurance rates.

A properly fitted and adjusted harness is useful if you need to tie off and work at height. Lol, I've used bosun chairs, worked on 20 inch picks, bridges, ships, tanks, and structural steel with no harness and occasionally a safety belt (lol).
Each move counts, 3 points of contact always. Never climb if feeling sick.

Harnesses also snag and get in the way; they can cause falls. Management only cares that you have the harness on, not that you can negotiate a climb safely. Been there, seen it!
Meh, I continue to free climb safely and fall free after half a century.




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