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Budget explorer tips?
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My biggest fear is asbestos inhalation. Now, I do have an Israeli civi gas mask that was a gift from a close friend, and was wondering if that would do much with a standard particulate filter, or would I just look like a moron? Budget is an issue, however, and I'm trying to keep my exploring to myself, so my family seeing me buy a new half mask would arouse suspicion. Any help would be greatly appreciated.




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They have asbestos rated masks at home depot for like $20. But honestly unless you are wearing a hazmat suit when you explore you will always have particulates on your clothes.




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They have asbestos rated masks at home depot for like $20. But honestly unless you are wearing a hazmat suit when you explore you will always have particulates on your clothes.


I'm just trying to minimize my exposure, I know nothing is 100% effective.




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Hey all of us old heads are still alive and kicking and some of us have been doing this 20 plus years. Myself included. You can minimize exposure but unless you are rolling around in it 24/7 you will be ok. ;)




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Hey all of us old heads are still alive and kicking and some of us have been doing this 20 plus years. Myself included. You can minimize exposure but unless you are rolling around in it 24/7 you will be ok. ;)


I'd venture to say better safe than sorry on this, cancer's a real bitch.




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I'm just trying to minimize my exposure, I know nothing is 100% effective.


Every site isn't covered in blowing asbestos fibers. Learn what it looks like and where it's used. Not all pipe/boiler insulation is asbestos.

If present and not contained avoid windy, dry days. Never stir up dust unnecessarily. If there's noticeable airborne particles where there's loose as asbestos, leave. Avoid heavily contaminated sites where full suits are needed not just respirators... Do not drag it home. One or multiple heavy exposures may eventually cause disease.

Asbestos is not an issue if you follow the above advice. If you're really worried about it, never smoke. Almost everyone has had some exposure to it.




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Every site isn't covered in blowing asbestos fibers. Learn what it looks like and where it's used. Not all pipe/boiler insulation is asbestos.

If present and not contained avoid windy, dry days. Never stir up dust unnecessarily. If there's noticeable airborne particles where there's loose as asbestos, leave. Avoid heavily contaminated sites where full suits are needed not just respirators... Do not drag it home. One or multiple heavy exposures may eventually cause disease.

Asbestos is not an issue if you follow the above advice. If you're really worried about it, never smoke. Almost everyone has had some exposure to it.


You make some good points, as does everyone else. I do appreciate it, and look forward to more expeditions.




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Hey all of us old heads are still alive and kicking and some of us have been doing this 20 plus years. Myself included. You can minimize exposure but unless you are rolling around in it 24/7 you will be ok. ;)


So investing in a mask/using my mask would be unnecessary?




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So investing in a mask/using my mask would be unnecessary?


You'll take in more asbestos breathing it in at a site as opposed to what's left on your clothes after you leave. I'd still recommend the investment.

That being said many people have gotten ill second-hand as a result of family members working with asbestos bringing particles back on their clothing:
http://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/

Take every reasonable step to minimize your exposure, but also remember that exposure to asbestos isn't guaranteed cancer, it's just an increase in likelihood, the size of which varies depending on a number of factors.




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You'll take in more asbestos breathing it in at a site as opposed to what's left on your clothes after you leave. I'd still recommend the investment.

That being said many people have gotten ill second-hand as a result of family members working with asbestos bringing particles back on their clothing:
http://www.asbestos.com/asbestos/

Take every reasonable step to minimize your exposure, but also remember that exposure to asbestos isn't guaranteed cancer, it's just an increase in likelihood, the size of which varies depending on a number of factors.


To be effective respirators need to be fitted properly, well maintained and the correct filter(s) used. I've worked hundreds of hours with them. They aren't fun and put a physical strain on you. If your clothes are heavily contaminated with asbestos, post exposure can be significant. The respirator comes off last. Proper training and equipment are needed for safe usage in heavily contaminated sites. Your gear will need to be dealt with as well.

While I wouldn't spend to much time worrying about it, I've known victims of mesothelioma and lung cancer. It's a slow and nasty death.

http://m.cancer.or...lioma-risk-factors




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Honestly asbestos in abandonments is not that big a deal. I've been doing this for almost 20 years, smoking for about 15 and I'm cancer free - for now. If you're really that worried about it buy a P100 mask and a couple of filters at Home Depot for about $30-35.

As far as your family goes, I have no idea how old you are but that's something you need to figure out for yourself. I have kids and honestly I'm Disney dad. There is very little that I won't let my kids try or do, as long as I know before hand. However when I draw the line, it's etched in stone and if they go behind my back they're on an extremely short leash for a while. I think that if you've been told no then you've either got to stop or figure out some way to get them involved so they understand the hobby.

Imagine the conversation if you are arrested or injured after they said not to explore. As a parent I can assure you getting arrested would be the LEAST of their worries!




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Honestly asbestos in abandonments is not that big a deal. I've been doing this for almost 20 years, smoking for about 15 and I'm cancer free - for now. If you're really that worried about it buy a P100 mask and a couple of filters at Home Depot for about $30-35.

As far as your family goes, I have no idea how old you are but that's something you need to figure out for yourself. I have kids and honestly I'm Disney dad. There is very little that I won't let my kids try or do, as long as I know before hand. However when I draw the line, it's etched in stone and if they go behind my back they're on an extremely short leash for a while. I think that if you've been told no then you've either got to stop or figure out some way to get them involved so they understand the hobby.

Imagine the conversation if you are arrested or injured after they said not to explore. As a parent I can assure you getting arrested would be the LEAST of their worries!


I'm 18 and all, but currently in my parents home. And I just kind of want to keep them firmly out of my private affairs as much as possible (Best not to get into that on here) but I just don't feel like answering questions and dealing with the tyranny and such. I might try to buy and smuggle a mask around, but reverting back to the other part of the question: Is my gas mask even an option for protection at the moment?




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I would assume the gas mask would be better than nothing.




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Something is better than nothing. I've used a wet bandana on a couple of occasions when you could see the stuff hanging in the air. Asbestos isn't your only inhalation concern. Mold, insulation, and dust can fuck you up more in the short term than asbestos can.

As far as your parents are concerned, based on your comments above, my advice to you is get the fuck out. I got sick of my parents shit as a teenager and my birthday gift to myself at 18 was a moving van. Best thing I ever did. Having to stand on your own feet and make it on your own forces you to grow up fast. Time to leave the nest bud.




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Something is better than nothing. I've used a wet bandana on a couple of occasions when you could see the stuff hanging in the air. Asbestos isn't your only inhalation concern. Mold, insulation, and dust can fuck you up more in the short term than asbestos can.

As far as your parents are concerned, based on your comments above, my advice to you is get the fuck out. I got sick of my parents shit as a teenager and my birthday gift to myself at 18 was a moving van. Best thing I ever did. Having to stand on your own feet and make it on your own forces you to grow up fast. Time to leave the nest bud.


Trust me, I'm not here willingly. I'm steadily saving up while helping out with some charges like bills and food, trying not to be a total deadbeat. And things aren't like TERRIBLE, just some friction about really stupid shit. Anyway, I'm deriving off topic - My gas mask might be my best friend for a few months then.




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I would assume the gas mask would be better than nothing.


Your biggest hazards are falls or things falling on you. Limiting your vision or doing things that distract you are not a good ideas.

Myself and many others here have been injured or come very close to being injured or killed by falls. Open manholes, steel stairs the just end, hellholes in concrete floors, collapsing floors/stairs/roofs, corroded concrete anchors that pipes or catwalks are attached to just popping loose with hardly the slightest touch, etc.
These are potentially life altering events that are near instant and what you need to be especially vigilant about whenever exploring a new or known site.




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Your biggest hazards are falls or things falling on you. Limiting your vision or doing things that distract you are not a good ideas.

Myself and many others here have been injured or come very close to being injured or killed by falls. Open manholes, steel stairs the just end, hellholes in concrete floors, collapsing floors/stairs/roofs, corroded concrete anchors that pipes or catwalks are attached to just popping loose with hardly the slightest touch, etc.
These are potentially life altering events that are near instant and what you need to be especially vigilant about whenever exploring a new or known site.


I'm considering cutting around the goggles and making it half-faced. Good ol' DIY might be a good trait given my financial status




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I'm considering cutting around the goggles and making it half-faced. Good ol' DIY might be a good trait given my financial status


The correct filters alone for that mask maybe more expensive than a new half mask with the correct filters... you need particulate filters or combo chemical/particulate filters.




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The correct filters alone for that mask maybe more expensive than a new half mask with the correct filters... you need particulate filters or combo chemical/particulate filters.


I've got three particulate filters that are good for another three years after I open them. I'd trade it in, but it being a gift would make me feel like a douche, you know?




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I've got three particulate filters that are good for another three years after I open them. I'd trade it in, but it being a gift would make me feel like a douche, you know?


Meh, if it were me I want you to have a gift you can use. You could simply explain it to them... than again you probably don't need it anyway at most sites.




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