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| | | | Re: Asbestos!! Sounds fun! < Reply # 3 on 12/22/2015 3:08 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | well NOW i have a respirator but for me I've never run into any. so long as you don't touch things, kick doors open, or anything like that you generally won't upset enough asbestos to be a problem. A friend of mine has worked with it before, and he's pretty knowledgeable about things. Basically he's the type to go around warning labels, knows compositions of things and possible alternate uses, etc. Well long story short, he's done his reading and turns out asbestos isn't really a big danger as many people make it out to be, an hour in an asbestos filled building where you don't intentionally try and kick up as much as possible, yeah that's going to leave you perfectly healthy. The reason for the worry is people who WORKED with asbestos, meaning cutting insulation, applying pipes, essentially directly aggravating the product with friction of sliding it over the pipes, being cut, laid into walls, etc. Same reason why most people don't have respirators. Mold is a bigger problem however, as fungus can easily grow in your lungs.
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| | | | Re: Asbestos!! Sounds fun! < Reply # 5 on 12/22/2015 7:37 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by mookster There is so much misinformation and fear-mongering around when it comes to asbestos. White asbestos, the most common type, can be found in all manner of things in buildings from pipe cladding, to floor tiles, roofing sheets, ceiling tiles etc. and is perfectly safe if left undisturbed. You pretty much have to eat a chunk of white asbestos to get any ill effects from a short-term exposure to it if it's not broken up and left as it is designed to be left. If the location is damp, that also keeps the fibres trapped at ground level if there has been any breakage. Blue and brown asbestos is much rarer and very dangerous in comparison to white. Recently a group of explorers found this out to their cost at Battersea Power Station over here in London after getting busted and having armed police and hazmat officers surround them and then a full strip-down decontamination procedure. Battersea is currently being redeveloped and the main thing going on is the removal of all the blue asbestos in the paint lining most of the walls and they were seriously concerned that the explorers had been contaminated by it. For short term exposure, the things you do need to be worried about are bird guano and black mould because they really can cause serious health issues pretty fast.
| Bump. Add to that, when vermiculite is used for insulation it may contain the more dangerous brown asbestos, worse when vermiculite is used for insulation it's usually not sealed. More of long term exposure issue unless you kick up the dust; don't. Falls are the greatest hazard explorers face. I put train and car accidents as next. We have lost explorers here from all three, and none to asbestos. As for asbestos simply wearing a good fitting respirator with the correct cartridges is not enough in a heavily contaminated site with airborne particles. Your clothes and gear will be contaminated as well. Avoid these places if you're really worried about it. Don't smoke; smoking greatly increases the risk of previous exposures. Most everyone has had some exposure, but most will never suffer any illness because of it.
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| LuminousAphid
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| | | | | Re: Asbestos!! Sounds fun! < Reply # 8 on 12/23/2015 2:35 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by blackhawk Falls are the greatest hazard explorers face.[/i] I put train and car accidents as next. We have lost explorers here from all three, and none to asbestos.
| Do tell! Did the car/train accidents occur while exploring, or just in the course of normal life? Wasn't there someone who posted an asbestos topic about a year ago, who actually ended up getting mesothelioma? I will try to find the thread, but it was a cautionary tale about the very delayed effects of exposure, and how you won't know if you've inhaled too much until your lungs have got cancer in them. And there's not really much to do about it once you have it. I agree that most explorers' exposure isn't on a level of immediate concern like the Battersea situation above, but I don't think it takes a huge or long-term exposure for a few particles to stick in your lungs and start mutating your DNA. The chances are for most of us that this won't happen, but I'm not a gambler. I just looked to see how asbestos actually causes cancer, and it's actually sort of interesting--it's not that the fibers themselves are carcinogenic, they merely start an inflammatory chain reaction from our own bodies that releases stuff which can mutate our DNA and promote tumor growth. Why does our body even have "mutagens and factors that promote tumor growth"? http://www.science...6/100629094153.htm
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| | | | Re: Asbestos!! Sounds fun! < Reply # 9 on 12/23/2015 3:05 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by LuminousAphid
Do tell! Did the car/train accidents occur while exploring, or just in the course of normal life? Wasn't there someone who posted an asbestos topic about a year ago, who actually ended up getting mesothelioma? I will try to find the thread, but it was a cautionary tale about the very delayed effects of exposure, and how you won't know if you've inhaled too much until your lungs have got cancer in them. And there's not really much to do about it once you have it. I agree that most explorers' exposure isn't on a level of immediate concern like the Battersea situation above, but I don't think it takes a huge or long-term exposure for a few particles to stick in your lungs and start mutating your DNA. The chances are for most of us that this won't happen, but I'm not a gambler. I just looked to see how asbestos actually causes cancer, and it's actually sort of interesting--it's not that the fibers themselves are carcinogenic, they merely start an inflammatory chain reaction from our own bodies that releases stuff which can mutate our DNA and promote tumor growth. Why does our body even have "mutagens and factors that promote tumor growth"? http://www.science...6/100629094153.htm
| Most people don't fall into silos unless they work there... Falls will cripple and kill you on impact. No need to wait even 5 years like alone 30. If you're serious about asbestos protection a respirator isn't enough. Duh. How many times have I said this? You really think wearing a respirator in a heavily contaminated site with no other protocols will keep you from inhaling literally hundreds or more of the fiber? You're kidding yourself; you'll get it in your cloths, cam gear, drag it into your car and finally home. I blasted in Chester at Sunoco over 30 years ago. I can verify that asbestos has literally blown down the street like snow there. At Pennhurst they illegally hauled off tons of asbestos contaminated trash to none hazmat landfills. There are few people who haven't had some exposure because it's very prevalent even today in minute amounts.
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| | | | Re: Asbestos!! Sounds fun! < Reply # 18 on 12/24/2015 1:44 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by General Zod
These are pro tips, man. I heard of a local man who was sweeping out his garage, and it had lots of mouse droppings in it, but apparently he didn't wet it down or open up the garage door first. Since the garage was dry and dusty, he kicked up a cloud with the mouse droppings in it, inhaled it, and contracted a lung disease. He died.
| While inhalation is the primary vector of transmission of hantavirus, it can be contracted from infected rodent bites, cuts in the skin, and by contact with mucous membranes ie mouth, nose and eyes. Wetting it down with a bleach solution might have saved his life or even wearing a simple dust mask. The amount of virus one is exposed to does have a direct effect on the outcome. You can tolerate a certain minute exposure without illness. Some humans do have antibodies to it even though they never contracted the acute disease. There are two variants of hantavirus, the worst being HPS which is a pneumonia caused by it that results in severe edema of the lungs. Victims literally drown in their own bodily fluids. Early treatment in an advanced ICU is the victims best hope for survival. Even than that's no guarantee of survival. Leptospirosis is a bacterial disease transmitted by rodents including in the US. Although treatable with antibiotics, it can be fatal if not treated promptly. I recommend anyone who has exposure to rodent infested areas on a regular basis read up on both these diseases to fully understand how to best avoid exposure. One of the reasons I love rattlesnakes and never kill them; their main food source are rodents. Unlike asbestos, falls, fungal/bacterial/virus infections can have immediate and severe life altering consequences to the victim.
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| | | | | Re: Asbestos!! Sounds fun! < Reply # 19 on 12/25/2015 9:19 PM > | Reply with Quote
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