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| | | | Re: Crossing Wide-Open Spaces < Reply # 20 on 11/18/2015 1:58 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Monkeyhawk I would like to add, in most settings, there isn't anyone watching a monitor the the camera broacasts on. Most cases they look back on the tape when there is an occurrence. If the site is important then it maybe be watched.
| The OP was worried about people spotting him. If it's even a rudimentary smart camera it would send an alert when it's zone is breached. Game over. The only cams you see are the ones they want you to see... Many locations don't warrant real time security. Those that do can an intricate smart cam network covering sometimes many square miles. These are capable of target ID (animal, human, car, bike, etc), tracking movement, gleaning tag numbers/vehicle info, and facial/race recognition. They can ID a returning subject or vehicle; look for and ID patterns. They can be program to allow or not allow certain types of movement and behavior, and send out anything from a notation of an event to a real time alarm. These systems are formidable, redundant, and hard to detect. One guards Reagan International Airport and there are many now in use both by private companies and the government.
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| Deuterium
Location: PNW Gender: Male Total Likes: 290 likes
| | | Re: Crossing Wide-Open Spaces < Reply # 22 on 11/18/2015 6:37 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by tiftastic I always go for the "act like you belong there" approach. If you look sketchy, you'll draw attention. Walk briskly, but confidently. Do not run. Keep your head up. Do not look around more than necessary.
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+1 Posted by Kaysic I've recently run into this problem for a site I'm scouting. Everything about the place is chalking up to be fantastic - lots of access points, lots to explore, and pretty spare security. Well, at least physical security; I'm hitting a stone wall as to how to approach the blasted building, since it's surrounded on all sides by at least 200 meters of flat, open ground. One side, the shortest approach, is maybe 150 meters, but is bordered by one of the busiest roads in the county. Another side, about the same distance, has an almost as busy road and is exposed to a residential area. The other two sides have entries in unobserved areas, but are much longer (~400m) and undeveloped (rucking it over undeveloped grassland). While making approaches in high-traffic areas is something I've done on other trips, here I'm hitting a brick wall because the building's history is such that there is zero reason for anyone to be going there, and the locals know it. Any ideas?
| It's hard to say without pics and context of the site. Urban explorers who only look around and take pictures rather than "explore" don't always have to keep stealth. It's technically trespassing to even step a foot into a neighborhood park during closed hours, but I bet the neighbors walk through there all the time after hours to take a short cut, go on a morning jog or walk their dogs. Locals are primarily concerned with those having the appearance of suspicion of causing issues they experience such as leaving bags of trash, furniture or graffiti. If you go into a yard full of cement barriers and sewer pipes with nothing but a water bottle and a camera in the daylight it's likely that locals don't care. If they see someone with a large bag at 2AM acting stealthily (or hear hissing or smell paint), they'll probably call the police. Go during the hours not associated with dumping or vandalism and don't bring a large bag. You maybe able to call and ask as an alternative. Offsite property owners might even find it useful if you'd send them a few pictures they can use to market the property or keep track of conditions such as new dumping or vandalism on the property. You get to explore, they get to have something, win-win. When there's a some form of benefit for them, you're more likely to get a permission.
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| Deuterium
Location: PNW Gender: Male Total Likes: 290 likes
| | | Re: Crossing Wide-Open Spaces < Reply # 26 on 11/20/2015 5:26 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by blackhawk
The OP was worried about people spotting him. If it's even a rudimentary smart camera it would send an alert when it's zone is breached. Game over. The only cams you see are the ones they want you to see... Many locations don't warrant real time security. Those that do can an intricate smart cam network covering sometimes many square miles. These are capable of target ID (animal, human, car, bike, etc), tracking movement, gleaning tag numbers/vehicle info, and facial/race recognition. They can ID a returning subject or vehicle; look for and ID patterns. They can be program to allow or not allow certain types of movement and behavior, and send out anything from a notation of an event to a real time alarm. These systems are formidable, redundant, and hard to detect. One guards Reagan International Airport and there are many now in use both by private companies and the government.
| You simply don't UE those locs. Of course international airports and port of entries have military facility like security to deter people or luggage from entering or leaving off the book.
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| SuchundFind
Location: San Antonio, Texas Gender: Male Total Likes: 17 likes
| | | Re: Crossing Wide-Open Spaces < Reply # 29 on 11/22/2015 10:02 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by JKuhnss While I've never tried this approach, I've seen other members suggest it before. Get one of those bright orange or yellow traffic vests and grab a clip board with some random papers on it. Act like you are meant to be there surveying or something. To the typical person driving by, you will appear to be working at the location, effectively hiding in plain sight.
| Just park with your vehicle in the middle of the field, in plain sight. I have done the thing with the vest a couple of times, but we are in the computer age, if you carry a clipboard they will call PD. Most people that should be there have everything on a tablet or on the phone, so this works well. Don't forget to place a cone behind your vehicle. If someone asks what you are doing, tell them you are measuring magnetic field variances. If you are a Ingress player even better, the app works well for that.
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