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UER Forum > UE Main > Public Gear Bag - proposal to senior UER staff (Viewed 6771 times)
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Re: Public Gear Bag - proposal to senior UER staff
< Reply # 20 on 12/8/2014 4:40 AM >
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In all seriousness, I see the fellowship and the heart behind the idea.

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Your hearts in the right place, but its just not practical



I was going to write almost this same sentiment. I agree completely!

I've had more than my fair share of ideas that I thought were good until I floated them out into the specific forum. That said, I have heard of caving grottos keeping some extra sets of gear for beginners or special guests, so the idea isn't without some merit. I'm just don't think that UE is a good fit.

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Re: Public Gear Bag - proposal to senior UER staff
< Reply # 21 on 12/8/2014 3:48 PM >
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I see what you mean as I always bring extra gloves for others with me who forget and such but shipping them would take forever and end up costing more than what it's worth usually. $10-20 for rainboots $25 to ship them flatrate conus not worth it



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Re: Public Gear Bag - proposal to senior UER staff
< Reply # 22 on 12/9/2014 5:17 AM >
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...That said, I have heard of caving grottos keeping some extra sets of gear for beginners or special guests, so the idea isn't without some merit. I'm just don't think that UE is a good fit.

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^Seconded

For anyone not ITK grottos are organizations based around exploring caves. Some host events for the public or non-members (hence the extra set of gear). The idea of having loaner gear is that the activity of caving is specific and requires specialized gear based on the degree of technicality. For the most part I think everyone already has the gear you need to urban explore or you can just improvise.

Now having loaner gear for the more technical aspects such as any sort of ropework (climbing, caving, mine exploration, etc) is a good idea in theory. Climbing gear is expensive, rarely used outside of climbing (whereas a flashlight or waders for UE have many other applications), oh and did I mention expensive? The problem with this type of gear is that it is used as critical lifesaving equipment that requires attentiveness to maintain. A climbing rope that has only been used 10 times may look brand new but could have easily been put through it's life cycle via high factor falls, grit touching the core, UV damage, or chemical damage. The same is true for harnesses. The owner of such equipment generally logs rope condition and notes the condition and expiration dates of harnesses and runners in his/her possession.

Having a rotating door of users presents an obvious problem of the user not having an understanding of the history of the gear they are using and thus cannot determine it's safety or suitability. Liability is another obvious concern if a piece of equipment were to fail. So, you may ask, "How do grottos get away with loaner gear?" and the answer has two parts. Firstly the members of the grotto are constantly with the gear for its lifespan and can evaluate just when gear is reaching the end of its usable life. Secondly the gear is being used under the direct supervision of, hopefully, experts who can ensure the gear is not misused either intentionally or unintentionally.

You sort of develop a better understanding of gear you have spend hard earned money purchasing and will likely be more knowledgeable on its use and care. Again, this post mostly just pertains to climbing gear since I saw that somewhere above. I wouldn't consider climbing off of someone elses gear unless I trusted them or I knew they were knowledgeable and were climbing it with me.







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< Reply # 23 on 12/12/2014 1:13 AM >
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...so at the very least their UER membership and reputation is at stake



If I were a moderator I would have stripped you of your full membership status, the donation star, and tainted your profile with a dunce cap star.




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Re: Public Gear Bag - proposal to senior UER staff
< Reply # 24 on 12/12/2014 2:32 PM >
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If I were a moderator I would have stripped you of your full membership status, the donation star, and tainted your profile with a dunce cap star.



Didn't you complain about Therrin being an a-hole to other members?

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Re: Public Gear Bag - proposal to senior UER staff
< Reply # 25 on 12/12/2014 9:53 PM >
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We need a billionaire benefactor, don't we?

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no one is going to donate a decent Nikkon, Olympus or Cannon to something like this,







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< Reply # 26 on 12/15/2014 2:10 AM >
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Didn't you complain about Therrin being an a-hole to other members?

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Negative. I have never chatted with or met the guy; he is before my time by the time I created my account.




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Re: Public Gear Bag - proposal to senior UER staff
< Reply # 27 on 12/15/2014 5:05 AM >
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The value of the shit I bring on explores don't even amount to the cost of shipping any of it. Get your OWN beer, bitch.


yeah i was just thinking... i'm not lending anyone a 6 pack of beer.




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Re: Public Gear Bag - proposal to senior UER staff
< Reply # 28 on 12/22/2014 2:20 AM >
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or Cannon

Yeah, a cannon may not be a practical thing to bring on an exploration.







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