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UER Forum > UE Main > Is urban exploration honorable? (Viewed 6784 times)
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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 20 on 8/25/2014 8:49 PM >
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I get very protective over the people I take exploring because even if they beg me to go, I still feel fully responsible if anything would happen to them. I'd rather something happen to me then it happen to one of my friends.



I feel the exact same way. I always make sure people know the possible risks before we go. However if we were ever caught I would try to shift the majority of the blame on myself.




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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 21 on 8/25/2014 8:50 PM >
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The thing with weapons of any kind is, even though I know where everyone is coming from on many levels, it can be turned against you if you have no idea what you're doing or if someone can disarm you whether it's a knife or not.

I was in a fist fight in the Fashion District of L.A a month ago and even though it was just knuckle to face hitting, the guy took out a knife, nicked me, but I had the better half and snapped his wrist. If I wanted to, I could have used the knife on him. Not everyone thinks the way I do.

My point is, if it makes you feel safe, go for it. I have a pocket knife on me at all times but I never take it out unless I really have to. I usually resort to my fists first before anything. Even running is a good tactic. Like my roommate, I tell her to just run if we get into trouble with anyone dangerous that's not a cop. She would never handle herself in a fight well, and sometimes it's better to haul ass with your life than to get into an arm wrestle with death.

I also find that if you ARE caught by the cops, if they find a weapon on you that could turn what is an innocent exploration to you into a questionable act by the police. That's my two cents, feel free to agree or disagree, I don't see anything honorable or dishonorable in exploring or keeping yourself safe as long as you're smart and don't mean any harm to others or the buildings we're trying to protect.




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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 22 on 8/25/2014 11:15 PM >
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No honor amongst criminals.




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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 23 on 8/26/2014 1:24 AM >
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Knife is for utility. CCW and a pistol. If ya gonna bring a weapon, bring a weapon. Also if you are concerned with local laws bring wasp spray.




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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 24 on 8/26/2014 6:37 PM >
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I hear a lot of urbexers say things like "we're preserving these buildings through photography" or that they're "teaching people to appreciate these structures" But really we aren't serving any greater good. I just do it because I love exploring, finding interesting things, and taking cool pictures, and I'm sure that's the same reason for almost everyone on here. But are we doing something immoral that should be frowned upon? I don't think so. As long as we refrain from vandalism, (including B&E), then we aren't doing anyone any harm, and the only people we're putting at a slight risk are ourselves. And I don't really think disturbing that security guard counts him as a "victim" haha, if I were a security guard I'd be happy to run into a harmless explorer every now and then, or I'd go insane from the boredom of my job.


Like it or not, agree or disagree with that statement, but any pictures taken are preserving buildings/memories. This is true whether or not you are there with that in mind or there to take a picture for your own satisfaction.

A lot of the stuff most of the public doesn't get to see, and a lot of places are now gone that mostly (or sometimes only) explorers have seen and witnessed.







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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 25 on 8/27/2014 7:44 PM >
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It was likely his call to let you go because you're harmless. It's a huge waste of resources to throw the book at everyone who doesn't deserve it.


That's always what I'm hoping they'll think.

Also, getting in trouble with the law is hardly a dishonourable thing. History (even modern history) is filled with people who've had trouble with the cops for noble reasons.


While most of the time I'm struggling just not to feel like a troublemaking whippersnapper, I think if I ever were arrested, charged, or fined, I would have no trouble feeling, in a small way, like a bit of a noble martyr: what better way to illustrate the stupidity of a law against curiosity?

I suppose my concerns are really less about ethics than politeness. Willfully trespassing is probably akin to farting in church, whistling in jail, or jogging in a cemetery: it sure doesn't hurt anybody, but it might offend some people's sensibilities. Since I don't think their sensibilities should be so easily offended, I guess I should keep on doing the good work of challenging them.

(p.s. Had a guy curse a blue streak at me for jogging in a cemetery the other day.)







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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 26 on 8/27/2014 10:32 PM >
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I'd be screwed because 90% of the time I don't even have a camera.

I wonder how many of you would still explore if you couldn't take photos.

You'd think the scene would hardly exist.




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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 27 on 8/28/2014 1:45 AM >
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I was in a fist fight in the Fashion District of L.A a month ago and even though it was just knuckle to face hitting, the guy took out a knife, nicked me, but I had the better half and snapped his wrist. If I wanted to, I could have used the knife on him. Not everyone thinks the way I do.


So pretty much Flashyfashionfraud ain't nothin to fuck wit. I guess if you feel unsafe but don't feel comfortable bringing a weapon, bring her.




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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 28 on 8/28/2014 5:36 AM >
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So pretty much Flashyfashionfraud ain't nothin to fuck wit. I guess if you feel unsafe but don't feel comfortable bringing a weapon, bring her.


The guy was flirting at me at McDonalds. I just wanted my happy meal, man.




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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 29 on 8/28/2014 5:48 AM >
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People say the same thing about condoms.

Posted by Flashyfashionfraud
My point is, if it makes you feel safe, go for it.






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< Reply # 30 on 8/28/2014 6:00 AM >
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I'd be screwed because 90% of the time I don't even have a camera.

I wonder how many of you would still explore if you couldn't take photos.

You'd think the scene would hardly exist.


And I'm the exact opposite. I rarely bring a camera other than my phone. And rarely remember it.




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People say the same thing about condoms.




At least a knife doesn't give you a screaming baby. But it makes people turn into one!




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The guy was flirting at me at McDonalds. I just wanted my happy meal, man.


You gotta do what you gotta do.




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< Reply # 33 on 8/28/2014 8:17 AM >
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And I'm the exact opposite. I rarely bring a camera other than my phone. And rarely remember it.


I think that's the same as I was saying. I hardly ever go with a camera.




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Re: Is urban exploration honorable?
< Reply # 34 on 8/28/2014 3:00 PM >
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I'd be screwed because 90% of the time I don't even have a camera.

I wonder how many of you would still explore if you couldn't take photos.

You'd think the scene would hardly exist.


I personally hate taking pictures in general. The only reason I took any while
'sploring was to show friends & stuff, if anyone has actually bothered to look at any photos I posted they'll notice they are of terrible quality.

I don't think many people feel as I do though.




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< Reply # 35 on 8/28/2014 7:38 PM >
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I personally carry a knife with me while exploring. It's an orange folding ka bar knife. However, I carry it everywhere with me, to my job, when I'm out walking, to the grocery store. I guess it's a little bit of a habit. It's more for using as a tool, but I would use it as a weapon if I had to I suppose. If I every really got stuck in a jam though, I'd probably use my flashlight to blind and run like hell.

I don't really take pictures either. Only one of my friends has a really good camera, and he usually doesn't make it, so 80% of explores have no pictures, besides poor quality cell ones.

Honestly, I don't care much for arty pictures with tons of filters, I'd rather just have plain ones that document the place. I don't do it much for the pictures anyway. This will sound rather stupid but I like the rush of heading into the unknown. I'm more of a thrill seeker.




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I think that's the same as I was saying. I hardly ever go with a camera.


Yeah. I was tired and worded that horribly lol




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I'd be screwed because 90% of the time I don't even have a camera.

I wonder how many of you would still explore if you couldn't take photos.

You'd think the scene would hardly exist.


The real question is how many people would still explore if you couldn't make funny videos?




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One thing about a lot of the utility knives (and I'm sorry if I derailed this thread from the honor of exploring into a discussion about weapons) that people carry around is that unless they have a hilt or something similar, they would probably be just as dangerous to their owners' hands as they would to another person. When I say this, I am thinking of the Leatherman tools I used to carry on the job a few years ago. If someone were ever forced to use one of them to stab a person, I imagine it would be very easy for their hand to slip off the handle and slide across their own blade. Especially once the knife was wet (that's a grim thought, I know.)

As for the camera question: Personally, I might still take occasional photos of my explorations, but for now the main reason I am posting them is in order to eventually go for Full Membership. To be honest, I'm not terribly keen on putting up the potential evidence of my potential crimes, if I were committing any, which of course I'm not!




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The real question is how many people would still explore if you couldn't make funny videos?


Can you actually do that?




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