I still love this site even though i havnt been here in ages (life gets in the way) and i want to know who here feels we should have some sort of a trust level within the membership where we can freely give and get access to buildings and houses for the express purpose of being able to take interesting pictures, go on a little adventure, and gain access to places you've never been before??

I feel that if you are a trusted member of the site, and you give valid locations for others to explore that you should be able to get the same in return no??

We may discuss the legality side of this as well, but i would like to get your thoughts.

ill give an example:

A million dollar home has been built in my area and is up for sale, but EMPTY.
It has a real estate agent but i know that they hardly ever come around and there is a key inside of a box that has a pin number to gain access.

Now if i knew about this house and knew the pin number, and the real estate agent the hardly ever came over to check this empty house gave me the pin number in order to check it out, and i decided to share that on HERE, would anyone be interested in exploring that house? if not to buy but to just gain access, check the place out and maybe take a swim in the pool?

theres lots of places in my city that i know if where this would be doable, but wouldnt it be fun to trade that info back and forth? hmmmm ok, enough of my talk, id like to hear some thoughts! = )

Sounds like you mean something like a Full Membership system.

Posted by Steed Sounds like you mean something like a Full Membership system.

If only there was something like that in place. It would be super handy.

Depending on where you live I think you would find that 6 hours after sharing that pin number that:

• All the copper would be missing from the house
  
• Every surface would be covered with bad graffiti
  
• The pool would be filled to the brim with dead hookers
  
• The pin number that you so generously shared would no longer work
  

I do think the full membership system is a good idea. I also think the mods here do as good a job as can be expected of keeping out the riffraff but a few turds will always sneak in and a few is all it takes.

Maybe there are no turds near you. If you are willing to risk losing access to this house to find out then go ahead and share. If it were me I would try to keep it quiet and take only people that I trust.

yeah i hear what your saying orange. guess ill have to share my stuff with my own people. sad. i kinda like being able to trust people. thanks for the thoughts though.

the info wouldnt just be shared openly for the world to view. it would be between only trusted members and only person to person. so with that said, if whoever the last person was to have had the info the person who gave the info could always go back and check and if they saw anything wrong, that last person would be blamed for it because they were the last ones there and most likely to have done it. idk i just thought that mighta been a cool system to go with. i do it with my friends and it works. but its not online like this....

Posted by Garg Yeah,* I hear what you're* saying,* orange....so with that said, if whoever the last person was to have had the info the person who gave the info could always go back and check and if they saw anything wrong, that last person would be blamed for it because they were the last ones there and most likely to have done it.

An "EASY BUTTON" for the rest of us non-full members, you're on to something there! Why didn't anyone else think of this before?! While they're there, AV could also establish a UER Police Task Force to crack down on all the rule beakers. You are a genius.

Doing this would build trust within the community, and people would have to be held accountable on some level when it comes to sharing.

In order to first get a trusted member account there would be no "fee's" of any kind but instead would have to GIVE an actual location thats valid first before trusted membership could be given. The location would then be visited by whoever was closest and interested, and then would report back on the location and therefore granting the person a trusted membership.

Anyone who gave a non-valid, or unacceptable location would not be granted a higher membership. Anyone who was found to have "fucked up" or heavily disturbed a location after granted one to explore would have their account disabled or be banned.

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Maybe its just me, but i prefer being able to get access to cleaner, nicer places, not just abandon buildings. Im too old now to be fuckin climbing through shit to get to places to explore. Im just saying it would be cool to also include nicer, cleaner places not just whats here on the site currently.

I still love UE, i just thought there could be another aspect of it. Obviously some people here arent as open minded as i thought.

Having run a member-based exploration website for many years, I can tell you that the reality and drama is more than you'd expect.

- Once someone is in the trusted member category, they fail to contribute any further, leaving the work up to the remainder of the members. Other members then would like you to revoke access from the inactive contributors even though they still can be 'trusted'.

- A person can use photos belonging to someone else (either legit local location or one hundreds of miles away in another country) and gain access by making no effort to visit a location, just using stolen pics.

- Once a person has access, nothing prevents them from telling their 4 graffiti artist friends to visit, or leave a little art of their own. You can never tell what one's 'other' hobbies might be.

- One person in the group decides they want to post it on their own website or blog. The other members then complain that this is breaking the rules. Some respect the privacy and don't disclose the name or exterior photos, others give all the details.

- Local kids cause damage and leave graffiti. What's to say that the last trusted member who visits isn't wrongfully blamed for the actions of local kids?

You mean well, but it's just too problematic. Trust me, I deal with this bullshit every single month.

Posted by Garg Maybe its just me, but i prefer being able to get access to cleaner, nicer places, not just abandon buildings. Im too old now to be fuckin climbing through shit to get to places to explore. Im just saying it would be cool to also include nicer, cleaner places not just whats here on the site currently. I still love UE, i just thought there could be another aspect of it. Obviously some people here arent as open minded as i thought.

So you're just talking about active infiltration? Of course that's done, and there's no need for an additional trust system for that on here. As far as sharing things like door codes goes, do you need more other people going to these places? I can't imagine why.

Finally, thank you. someone with a brain thats not just name calling.

I hear what your saying but i still feel like it could be done. Probably just not on here. Although people ask where a certain location IS whenever people post pictures anyway. so the thought of hiding where the location is seems a bit pointless is your posting pics of it. Thats not really "hiding" anything if people can go there anyway.

there really arent that many abandon or non used buildings in my city, because everything is either demolished here or re-purposed. But it is a popular thing here to share key codes with people to brand now homes that are on sale with trusted people so long as they dont disturb things and leave the place the way that it was. ive done this with people i know many a time, and nothings ever happened. more and more Realtors (at least in what ive experienced having known a few through my father who was one) seem to just be posting pics of the place and then locking up and leaving, only to check on the property once or twice a month if that because their soul method of sale is online. They set out flyers on the counter and then just freely give the pin code for the lock and encourage people to go there and "check things out", ive even seen the realtor that was trying to sell one place have a fucking pool party with invite all these people after the owners had moved out! its a very popular thing here to do for some reason, and theres a basic understanding that if you dont fuck the place up, your welcome to hang out and "try the place out" (((not spending the night or anything obviously))

Ive also been invited to come hang out and bbq, and or have a pool party in someones house that didnt belong to them, they were simply selling the place and were "just there to make sure nothing got broken"

I get what your saying about people telling other people, but the site would have to be much tighter when it comes to trusted members then what it is now.

they would be encouraged to NOT share the info, but to take others with them that APPRECIATE UE and would understand the situation, and keep their "graffiti type friends" in check by not allowing them to be their with them while the your there with them. i mean if you know they do that kinda shit uhhh DONT TELL THEM about the place or bring them. that seems simple to me. look. enjoy. but dont disturb. is that asking too much?

Posted by Steed So you're just talking about active infiltration? Of course that's done, and there's no need for an additional trust system for that on here. As far as sharing things like door codes goes, do you need more other people going to these places? I can't imagine why.

Because if there was say an awesome large house for sale that YOU seen but no one ELSE has, then why not share? there are amazing custom built homes that have gone into foreclosure in my city and i would KILL to get inside and check out, and or hang out there for a day and just chill in. ocean views, waterfall pools, shit youve never even imagined before. idk i just thought other UE members might like that as WELL, just as an addition to the site, not a replacement of any kind.

Okay, how about this.

You post the address and PIN code of one of your favorite places on here. Make the thread "Private" (meaning only full members can see it) and count the days until you see some sort of property damage.

(I'm kidding, don't do that. It's a stupid idea and is guaranteed to get any location sealed or severely damaged)

Like it or not, this system of "full membership" is not fool proof. Even though the mods do a wonderful job at dealing with these people AFTER the fact has been proven theyve done something against the rules (Railguy88 comes to mind) you never know the full intentions of strangers on the internet.

thats ok. I mean i get it, im not gonna push the issue obviously i just thought it might be fun to try out.

Thank you for you thoughts though. ; )

Posted by Orangedrink Maybe there are no turds near you.

I've found some in abandonments before. They are yours to keep if you want them, OP.

I don't really like this idea or turning UER into some kind of invite-only tourism site. Go fucking explore.

Well no one said anything about turning UER into anything other then what it is now. so you should probly just STFU. I also DO explore quite a bit thank you. Your also a bit late my friend. this issues been done and over with. thanks tho.

Posted by Garg Because if there was say an awesome large house for sale that YOU seen but no one ELSE has, then why not share? there are amazing custom built homes that have gone into foreclosure in my city and i would KILL to get inside and check out, and or hang out there for a day and just chill in. ocean views, waterfall pools, shit youve never even imagined before. idk i just thought other UE members might like that as WELL, just as an addition to the site, not a replacement of any kind.

I would need a reason beyond "Why not?" in order to give out very sensitive information. I could think of numerous reasons why not, which leads me to ask: why?

Agreed I lack full member status just gives me something to work towards. I post the odd picture just to get my name out there withholding the majority to add to locations that I imagine are already on the DB .

Truth is this shit is addictive . Spend hours at night checking through websites , combing over old rail maps , following up on pictures others have taken for clues. Than heading out to check . Some have been awesome others have been busts that's just the way it is.