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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 20 on 7/29/2004 5:16 AM >
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Now THIS is what UE is all about. Incredible location. Amazing photos. Thanks for sharing.




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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 21 on 9/19/2004 12:00 AM >
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this has to be definitely one of the most amazing places in the world for UE...thank you for sharing.

also the thoughts you wrote were extremely well written...it made me feel a sense of desolation when i see the photos...

again beautiful work!




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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 22 on 11/17/2004 12:09 PM >
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Absolutely amazing!

If I would find some companions, i would definitely travel to Japan and rent a small Zodiac or canoe to get there. Camping equipment along etc. Would be worth the visit.

What would be the charges if you would get arrested while there? I mean it´s not a nuclear site or anything like that, so I would guess it´s just trespassing or something similar. Can´t be too serious?

Incredible place, thanks for the inspiring photos! =)




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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 23 on 11/24/2004 8:03 PM >
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Hobbes, we're talking about Japan here, not exactly Scotland when it comes to trespassing laws... Let's just say that Japan jails have a reputation and I would not try my luck at it. It might simply be easier to ask for permission...




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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 24 on 11/28/2004 12:58 PM >
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Hobbes, we're talking about Japan here, not exactly Scotland when it comes to trespassing laws... Let's just say that Japan jails have a reputation and I would not try my luck at it. It might simply be easier to ask for permission...


Here are some horror stories about Japanese jails; I've read several accounts of how the court system virtually *never* acquits anyone that appears before it.

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Japan's courts have a conviction rate of 99 percent.

Japan is a reluctant member of the world club of leading nations with respect to laws designed to protect individual rights. And for foreigners, Japan offers virtually no protections whatsoever.

Are Japanese jails and prisons world class? Well, they are better than a whole lot of places, but anyone incarcerated in one for any length of time will come out with horror stories, and they would have every right to complain of food, physical abuse and more. Remember: The Japanese jails of today are direct descendants of the Japanese military prison camps of not all that long ago. The people are different, but their behavior isn't.

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Japan's jails are inhumane

Prisons in Japan
By Koichi Kikuta

Review by Keiji Hirano

If you are ever unlucky enough to be detained in a Japanese prison, your first day will commence with a humiliating body search, including anal probe, and if you work in the prison factory you will have to endure such body checks every day.

You will be ordered to strip completely in front of prison officials so they can check you are not hiding anything banned or dangerous. Sometimes the checks include the genitals.

You will be kept handcuffed in a solitary cell and put under 24-hour surveillance if you violate prison regulations. You will have to be prepared to eat and even use the toilet still handcuffed.

"Prisoners are sometimes punished even for minor offenses, such as having conversations with each other or wiping away their sweat during work in the factory without having asked permission," said Koichi Kikuta, criminology professor at Meiji University in Tokyo.

Kikuta has recently written a book called "Prisons in Japan" published by Iwanami Shoten Publishers. It is based mainly on interviews during the past 10 years with a total of 80 ex-prisoners, some of whom are homeless or have already returned to prison.

Kikuta, also a well-known anti-death penalty campaigner, warned that Japanese prisons, with their inhumane treatment of inmates, cannot be considered correctional facilities from which offenders can easily return to society.

"The former prisoners have fallen into a state of passivity, having become accustomed to militaristic disciplines when dining, exercising or bathing. This is one of the reasons it is hard for them to lead their own lives after completing their prison terms," he said.

In prison actual dining time is only about five to seven minutes, preventing inmates with bad teeth or elderly prisoners from chewing their food well, while in the bathrooms they have to wash their bodies or get into bathtubs at the command of prison officials, according to the book.

Underlining Kikuta's comments, a government survey shows that 52.5% of male prisoners in Japan in 2000 were serving at least their second prison term, and of these more than 30% had been imprisoned more than five times.

The United Nations' human rights committee has repeatedly urged Japan to correct its inhumane prison conditions.

Kikuta also notes in his book that deprivation of basic rights following prisoners' detention is another factor preventing them from returning to ordinary life after release from jail.

Letter exchanges and visiting are strictly limited to family members and lawyers, and both letters and interviews are heavily censored by prison officials.

Subscribing to newspapers is also restricted and controversial articles are blacked out.

"A prison should keep contact with society and open its facilities to the public so that ordinary people can support prisoners' rehabilitation and accept them more easily following their release. But it focuses only on retribution," he said.

Imprisonment also sometimes means that prisoners are removed from the residents' registry, resulting in various disadvantages in terms of national health insurance, pension and unemployment compensation insurance.

"It is possible for prisoners with family to continue paying national pension premiums, but if they are alone it is likely that they will be cut off from the pension system," Kikuta said.

They are also deprived of voting rights during detention and parole, in contrast to many Western countries where prisoners are entitled to vote by proxy.

"Detention should be accepted as a punishment for their crimes, but deprivation of voting rights goes beyond that. It violates their freedom of thought and conscience," Kikuta said.

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who advocate the sort of conditions that you'll find in a Japanese prison, I'll tell you this. Anyone could be arrested and banged up for 23 days in a country that, along with the USA and half a dozen others, would not ratify any accords on torture. People die in these detention centres all the time, but that's an aside. At the end of 23 days, you are pushed into a court system with no jury and a 99.7% conviction rate. The prisons are so bad, that they are vurtually never shown on TV, in the news etc. There are hardly any pictures of these places. I really hope that none of you people are dumb enough to ride around on a bike that's registered to someone else!

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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 25 on 12/1/2004 1:34 AM >
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Now that's what I call nasty! Makes you wonder about our trading partners eh?




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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 26 on 12/1/2004 8:03 PM >
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Makes me think twice about even going to Japan... but still I find the island very very tempting.




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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 27 on 12/2/2004 5:36 AM >
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Now that's what I call nasty! Makes you wonder about our trading partners eh?


Needless to say, the Japanese aren't exactly open about the system, even to their own people.

My (albeit limited) understanding of Japanese history is that the notion of jails didn't even exist in the feudal period, which essentially lasted until the 1860s. Most crimes were were punishable by death; execution was usually carried out immediately after sentencing.

By all accounts, the Japanese judicial system still retains vestiges of its feudal past. It's bad enough for Japanese, they have very few rights, but gaijin (foreigners) have essentially *none*.

As far as trading partners go, I've recently read allegations that the Chinese state runs prison factories--it's also been alleged that that is where a lot of the 'Made in China' stuff that you'll find in the WalMarts of the world originates from. Makes one have second thoughts about those low, low, prices, eh?




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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 28 on 12/2/2004 9:27 PM >
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My (albeit limited) understanding of Japanese history is that the notion of jails didn't even exist in the feudal period, which essentially lasted until the 1860s. Most crimes were were punishable by death; execution was usually carried out immediately after sentencing.


While this might be the case, I think you have forgotten one of Japan's most famous punishments - Bukkake.

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Re: UE Dream
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Needless to say, the Japanese aren't exactly open about the system, even to their own people.

My (albeit limited) understanding of Japanese history is that the notion of jails didn't even exist in the feudal period, which essentially lasted until the 1860s. Most crimes were were punishable by death; execution was usually carried out immediately after sentencing.

By all accounts, the Japanese judicial system still retains vestiges of its feudal past. It's bad enough for Japanese, they have very few rights, but gaijin (foreigners) have essentially *none*.

As far as trading partners go, I've recently read allegations that the Chinese state runs prison factories--it's also been alleged that that is where a lot of the 'Made in China' stuff that you'll find in the WalMarts of the world originates from. Makes one have second thoughts about those low, low, prices, eh?




Exactly ex-goose-villager! Couldn't have said it better myself. Our country should get its act together and we should encourage domestic manufacturing. (I know "Dream on") We have too many people who are either unemployed or underemployed because of the jobs being sent to countries that allow this crap to happen.




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< Reply # 30 on 12/8/2004 3:10 PM >
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The island is an amazing place. Lots of prep and planning needed. I must admit that I'm lucky to have gone there.

Pictures I took can be found here: http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal.asp?locid=21151&galid=13978

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< Reply # 31 on 12/10/2004 5:12 AM >
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The island is an amazing place. Lots of prep and planning needed. I must admit that I'm lucky to have gone there.

Pictures I took can be found here: http://www.uer.ca/locations/viewgal.asp?locid=21151&galid=13978

Enjoy.

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I'm sure there isn't a person here that doesn't envy you--most of us would give our right arms to be able to go there. Thanks for posting the new gallery of pictures--they're nothing short of superb.

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That's it. I'm going to Japan.

Between this place, and the G-CANS thing, I am going to Japan.




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Re: UE Dream
< Reply # 33 on 3/16/2005 8:42 AM >
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This is one of the best locations i have seen.




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That's it. I'm going to Japan.

Between this place, and the G-CANS thing, I am going to Japan.


G-CANS? Whatever is that?





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http://g-cans.jp/photo/index.html

It's a massive flood-prevention system in Japan.




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http://g-cans.jp/photo/index.html

It's a massive flood-prevention system in Japan.


Thanks for the explanation and link. Judging by the pictures, I can see why you're interested!





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< Reply # 37 on 4/8/2005 12:48 AM >
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IF you had any balls , you wouldn't need the LDB to see this place; You'd drive around aimlessly, end up in California, randomly decide to rent a boat, decide to head east, run out of gas, hop a ride on a Pakistani freighter, get in a fight with the captain, get thrown overboard, get picked up by a Navy ship, see the island, spring a HUGE hard on , jump overboard, swim ashore and you'd be there!
Another example of whey the LDB is worthless; do you own homework; I never "USE" the ldb to find locations. I just guess where places are and of course appreciation and sharing of photos and banter means nothing to me. The Ldb is only for advanced explorers with Mark 10 access to show how you can use your ninja skill to "get all up " in a place no one gives a shit about.
If you are "interested " in a location you shouldn't be on the LDB;
In fact if you don't dress up in SWAT team gear you shouldn't explore.
This place is boring; no security guards to evade.
The LDB is the problem. Get rid of it!




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It's a massive flood-prevention system in Japan.


god damn. thats amazing.

still, if i could only pick one of the two, i'd take gunkajima. simply because it seems like there are so many more possibilities and opportunities. plus i like abandoned island cites more than drains/sewers (even if they are cathedral-sized flood-prevention drain system)




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I wonder if the Japanese judicial system would be a little more forgiving if you played dumb... hmmm... I'd take my chances if I had a little more financial flexibility.




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