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First Aid Kit and Injuries?
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Hey all! So I was wondering, has anyone gotten a serious enough injury enough to send them to the ER or need a first aid kit while exploring? If not do ya'll have a personal first aid kit you have created to take with you on explorations? I'm thinking of making one for myself and was curious what others might have to say or any advice you might have. Thank you for the help!






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< Reply # 1 on 7/5/2018 1:39 PM >
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I haven't gotten around to making one yet, but I'd recommend carrying a small first aid kit inside of an Altoids mints tin. It doesn't need to be big, just enough to deal with minor injuries. I'd recommend filling it with the following supplies:

- Bandaids of various sizes
- Tube of antiseptic cream
- Antihistamine of some sort (for bee stings)
- Roll of bandages
- Gauze pads
- Wet wipes
- Tweezers (for splinters)

A first aid kit containing these items should be enough to deal with most minor injuries, and can be carried around in your back pocket. Anything that can't be handled with a kit like this should probably cause you to stop exploring for the day, and maybe see a doctor.



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I'm actually working on an idea for a custom bag for my explores that will have a permanent section for first aid.

It'll have all the typical stuff for cleaning dressing wounds as well as stuff for bug bites and so on. 👍🖒




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Thank you so much for the advice Aran, I do appreciate the feedback. Definitely would go to a hospital if anything were more serious than a minor injury. I guess I was just thinking more on freak accidents and things like that. I know I want to get a tourniquet. I have my first aid and safety license, but it doesn't hurt to be prepared.




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My worst injury was when I was 10 feet down a shaft and dislodged a softball sized rock that was right at the top. The rock grazed my helmet, ricocheted off my shoulder, and took a chunk out of my arm. Good thing it didn't knock me out because I would have tumbled about 200' down a 45 degree incline.

It was actually a pretty serious situation since my left arm didn't work very well and I had to climb back out. The rim of the mine was badly deteriorated and would be a challenge to traverse. My exploring partner was up top but there wasn't anything to rig an anchor to in order to create a rescue pulley system. I put 100% of my focus on getting out so I wouldn't have to be rescued. With much encouragement from my partner I was able to get out. My arm was bleeding but not serious. My shoulder was the real problem. The rock had just missed the clavicle and hit the acromion bone. That was actually a blessing since I think the rock would have shattered the clavicle. Still, my arm was out of service.

We headed the 25 miles across the desert on a dirt road to the nearest town and a regional medical center. I figured that I could get it x-rayed. By the time we got into town I knew that my shoulder wasn't fractured. We bought a couple of bags of ice and headed back into camp. For the next couple of days I kept ice on it pretty regularly.

I still have a scar on my forearm where the rock took out a chunk of skin. After a couple of months the shoulder healed completely and hasn't given me any further trouble. I'm not sure that the knock on the helmet made me any crazier than I already am. We have never been able to find the official name of the mine so for now it's the "Killer Mine".

I keep a reasonable first aid kit in my truck when I head out. It's not a trauma kit, but has enough to stop serious bleeding along with minor cuts and such. The one thing I plan to add is instant cold packs. They provide a lot of pain relief and help reduce swelling.


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The one thing I plan to add is instant cold packs. They provide a lot of pain relief and help reduce swelling.



That's a wonderful idea, and I plan to add a tourniquet to my first aid kit, or backpack. Since you said you had bleeding, but not major, think of if it did and it would be a handy little tool to keep. Thank you so much for sharing your story! It brings wonderful perspective and helpful advice!



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I agree with all of this, but if you live in a place with a lot of venomous critters, snakes, spiders, etc. I'd also recommend a simple venom extractor. These are especially useful for snakes, as some of those buggers can kill you. My brother was bitten by a rattle snake when he was 5, and the venom extractor may very well have saved his life.

This is a rare occurrence though, and if it isn't snake season/you're actually looking where you're going, you should be fine.




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My first aid kit is shared with my bug out bag that travels in the Jeep at all times. It gets pulled out of the BOB and dropped in my Camelbak before each explore. Since it is a bug out kit, it is super overkill, but I cannot see that as being bad. It has all your standard band-aids, gauze, and tape. I also carry Tylenol, Imodium, Pepcid, and an anti-histamine. Finger splints, a triangle sling, and an Ace Bandage. Tampons for gun shot wounds, and of course the more traditional use should a travel companion be ill-equipped. Medical grade super glue, butterfly closures, and sutures. I actually used one of the sutures just last weekend when a drunken fool refused to go to the hospital. It wasn't pretty, but it did close the wound and stop the bleeding. I gave dumb ass 7 stitches after he was playing with an ax. Burn gel packs and chemical ice packs. Scissors and clamps. First aid book. CPR mask. Non-lubed condoms for water proofing a finger or even your entire hand, should you need to keep a wound dry. Gloves. Eye cup, tourniquet, blood clot pack. Personal radiation exposure card, and potassium iodide tablets should I/we survive a blast and be exposed to irradiated dust particles. Ammonia inhalants. Emergency Mylar blanket. Alcohol wipes, antiseptic wipes, bee sting ampules, ear plugs, antibiotic ointment, Q-tips, cotton balls, and 4 airline bottles of vodka to use as an antiseptic, ease pain, or shut you the hell up. Ambesol - works great for a toothache, and can help numb flesh before stitching. And finally, and old cell phone. By US law, even a phone without a service MUST still be able to dial 911.


My kit started from a 200pc kit from Amazon for $31. I replaced the crap plastic band aids with nice flex-fabric ones, and built it up from there. Everything still fits into that original 200pc bag. I set alarms in Outlook to remind me when items are about to expire and need to be replaced and to check the cell phone battery. If the phone stays off, it usually lasts pretty close to a year before I charge it again...




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I agree with all of this, but if you live in a place with a lot of venomous critters, snakes, spiders, etc.


Yikes. I missed the line about your brother on my first read. That's terrible. I am sorry for your loss.




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I have absolute basics - bandages, gauze, bandaids, wipes to clean. My worst injury wouldn't have been helped by any kind of kit though. I ended up with a very minor tear in a tendon, muscle, and ligament. I was solo so it was a really good reminder of how dangerous it can be to explore by myself. That a very minor incident when alone could be a much bigger deal if the injury had been worse. In all reality though it was my stupidest injury of life, I was standing still when it happened and I could still see my car so I wasn't too worried; it was however a good reminder to be more cautious.

I have been considering getting a snake bite kit since I once came upon a nest of baby rattlers in the woods (solo again and I avoided them completely) and I haven't really refreshed my Scouts knowledge of how to handle it if I were bitten.




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I've never had to carry anything more serious than bandages. The best first-aid kit is the one at the nearest medical center. If someone is immobile and can't get there on their own, time to bite the bullet and call the emergency number.




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I've never had to carry anything more serious than bandages. The best first-aid kit is the one at the nearest medical center. If someone is immobile and can't get there on their own, time to bite the bullet and call the emergency number.


This is definitely true. While I've never had to call emergency services directly, I once had a situation where someone cut open their leg on a fence while leaving a place. Luckily a buddy of mine was trained in first aid, so he quickly took off his shirt and made a tourniquet. Since this was a local spot it was faster to just drive him directly to the hospital (less than 10 minutes away).

However I'd advise anyone to always use their best judgement. Sometimes calling emergency services is your best option.




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If someone is immobile and can't get there on their own, time to bite the bullet and call the emergency number.


True. Aside from minor cuts and scrapes anyone thinking about self treatment of more serious injuries instead of evacuating and or seeking medical care is just fooling themselves.

Case in point: Snake bites. The kits and so called venom extractors. Read what medical experts say, theses are pretty useless and generally acknowledged to be bunk. In the case of North American pit vipers (rattlers, copperheads, cottonmouths) the venom begins attacking the tissues and red blood cells immediately and no matter how much blood you extract the venom is already working on the tissues, it wont get "extracted". If it makes you feel safe by all means go ahead and buy one and carry it around but a simple Google search will tell you its bunk.


THE only effective treatment is anti-venin, injections, thousands of dollars worth of injections. You can stabilize the victim clean the visible bite wound maybe even slow the spread with ice or cold packs but sucking blood out wont help you.


Very few pit viper bites in the U.S. result in death. Failing to get proper treatment and d.i.y. cures might.




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True. Aside from minor cuts and scrapes anyone thinking about self treatment of more serious injuries instead of evacuating and or seeking medical care is just fooling themselves.

Case in point: Snake bites. The kits and so called venom extractors. Read what medical experts say, theses are pretty useless and generally acknowledged to be bunk. In the case of North American pit vipers (rattlers, copperheads, cottonmouths) the venom begins attacking the tissues and red blood cells immediately and no matter how much blood you extract the venom is already working on the tissues, it wont get "extracted". If it makes you feel safe by all means go ahead and buy one and carry it around but a simple Google search will tell you its bunk.


THE only effective treatment is anti-venin, injections, thousands of dollars worth of injections. You can stabilize the victim clean the visible bite wound maybe even slow the spread with ice or cold packs but sucking blood out wont help you.


Very few pit viper bites in the U.S. result in death. Failing to get proper treatment and d.i.y. cures might.


This is exactly what I found when I read about these this morning. I was hoping to find anti-venom kits but that was not what I got




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Yikes. I missed the line about your brother on my first read. That's terrible. I am sorry for your loss.


Maybe I said that a little wrong, he's very much alive, but it was close for a while.


THE only effective treatment is anti-venin, injections, thousands of dollars worth of injections. You can stabilize the victim clean the visible bite wound maybe even slow the spread with ice or cold packs but sucking blood out wont help you.


I would be inclined to agree with you, but the fact that it helped save a five year old from a baby rattlesnake (as we all know the most dangerous), I have to give it some kudos and hope that it gives someone enough time to make it to a real care facility without lasting damage if they're in the middle of no-where.




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I carry a fairly small first aid kit in my camera bag normally that mostly matches the contents of this one: https://www.mec.ca...pper-First-Aid-Kit

For larger trips into the wilderness (Northern Ontario) where calling 911 may not be an immediate option, I just picked up this kit: https://www.mec.ca...nder-First-Aid-Kit. I also carry a pocket survival kit along with it.



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Personally I carry a US special forces IFAK / blowout kit with some extra goodies, plus more supplies in my truck. Mind you, I do live in rural Alaska most of the time, so if I get in shit, I’m the one that has to get out of it. I also have the training relevant to the use of all this.

Key things that I haven’t seen noted. That said, these are only useful if you know what the hell you’re doing. If you don’t, odds are you’ll potentially make things worse by using this stuff.

-Hemostatic agents (Mucoadhesive or Procoagulant types) for ‘oh shit’ bleeding. Quickclot ACS/Combat Gauze, Celox, etc all work great IF you understand how,when, and what to do after using them.

-SAM splint. Reusable if you need to, small when packaged, but work great for stabilizing anything from a rolled ankle to a compound fracture.

-Israeli bandage (CAT) as an ‘oh shit’ thing. One of the best tourniquets out there IMO.

-Progaff and Coban tapes. One for non skin contact stuff like sealing around clothes to keep particulates out, the other for skin contact like keeping bandages secure without ripping all your hair off. Also great for keeping a SAM in place.

There is a lot more in my kits, but not horribly relevant unless you have a much larger than average skill set, so I’m leaving that gear off the list.



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My first aid kit is shared with my bug out bag that travels in the Jeep at all times. It gets pulled out of the BOB and dropped in my Camelbak before each explore. Since it is a bug out kit, it is super overkill, but I cannot see that as being bad. It has all your standard band-aids, gauze, and tape. I also carry Tylenol, Imodium, Pepcid, and an anti-histamine. Finger splints, a triangle sling, and an Ace Bandage. Tampons for gun shot wounds, and of course the more traditional use should a travel companion be ill-equipped. Medical grade super glue, butterfly closures, and sutures. I actually used one of the sutures just last weekend when a drunken fool refused to go to the hospital. It wasn't pretty, but it did close the wound and stop the bleeding. I gave dumb ass 7 stitches after he was playing with an ax. Burn gel packs and chemical ice packs. Scissors and clamps. First aid book. CPR mask. Non-lubed condoms for water proofing a finger or even your entire hand, should you need to keep a wound dry. Gloves. Eye cup, tourniquet, blood clot pack. Personal radiation exposure card, and potassium iodide tablets should I/we survive a blast and be exposed to irradiated dust particles. Ammonia inhalants. Emergency Mylar blanket. Alcohol wipes, antiseptic wipes, bee sting ampules, ear plugs, antibiotic ointment, Q-tips, cotton balls, and 4 airline bottles of vodka to use as an antiseptic, ease pain, or shut you the hell up. Ambesol - works great for a toothache, and can help numb flesh before stitching. And finally, and old cell phone. By US law, even a phone without a service MUST still be able to dial 911.


My kit started from a 200pc kit from Amazon for $31. I replaced the crap plastic band aids with nice flex-fabric ones, and built it up from there. Everything still fits into that original 200pc bag. I set alarms in Outlook to remind me when items are about to expire and need to be replaced and to check the cell phone battery. If the phone stays off, it usually lasts pretty close to a year before I charge it again...



THIS. This is the kind of preparedness I like to strive for.

I have a small kit I put together out of a "tactical bag" I bought on the internet. At first I loaded it up with stuff like some Raven neoprene gloves, some big gauze pads, medical tape, a fifth of vodka for cleaning (because who drinks that shit?), different little things I found around the house at the time. Over the following weeks I had added a suture kit, a reusable tourniquet, a minor surgery set that came with different tweezers and clamps for removing foreign objects and stuff. The idea was to have precautions for things like, minor cuts and maybe even catching a piece of glass in your hand or falling and breaking a finger. I eventually added minor luxury items like sunscreen, hand wipes, chap stick, or even pads in case the misses starts at a bad time.

And it all fits in a fanny pack-like baby duffle bag. I like to be ready for anything that can happen in a derelict building with broken glass, wasps, and so on.




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Adolph's Meat Tenderizer contains an enzyme that breaks down bee sting venom.

For stings, mix it with water to make a paste and smear it on the sting.

I have heard that it works on wasp and jellyfish stings as well.




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