Posted by rz350 and remember, for them folks that like to explore old military facilities. if it is still DND property, all persons, vehicles and property are subject to warrantless search at anytime, for any reason. In addition to tresspass laws under the NDA which are a bit different from provinical ones. depending on the facility and its SOP's and routine orders, the use of force could be nasty. if caught on DND property, co-operate like a submissive little biatch, as you've lost most of your rights just by being there. |
NATIONAL DEFENCE ACT REGULATIONS RESPECTING ACCESS TO, EXCLUSION FROM AND SAFETY AND CONDUCT OF PERSONS IN, ON OR ABOUT ANY DEFENCE ESTABLISHMENT, WORK FOR DEFENCE OR MATERIEL SHORT TITLE 1. These Regulations may be cited as the Defence Controlled Access Area Regulations. INTERPRETATION 2. In these Regulations, “controlled access area” means any defence establishment, work for defence or materiel and includes any restricted area within such place or materiel; (secteur d'accès contrôlé) “designated authority” means the Minister, the Chief of the Defence Staff or the officer in command or person in charge of a controlled access area; (autorité compétente) “pass” means an authorization to enter a controlled access area in accordance with section 5; (laissez-passer) “security guard” means (a) a peace officer, (b) a member of the Corps of Commissionaires, (c) an officer or non-commissioned member, or (d) an employee or other person engaged directly or indirectly by the Canadian Forces or the Department to whom a designated authority has assigned duties relating to the enforcement of these Regulations. (garde de sécurité) APPLICATION 3. These Regulations apply to all persons except those who are subject to the Code of Service Discipline. i.e. your random civi PART I ACCESS TO AND EXCLUSION FROM A CONTROLLED ACCESS AREA 4. Every person is prohibited from entering, exiting or remaining in or on any controlled access area except in compliance with these Regulations. 5. (1) No person shall enter a controlled access area without first obtaining a pass where a designated authority requires that a pass be obtained prior to entry. (2) Where a designated authority or a security guard authorized by the designated authority to grant passes has reasonable grounds to believe that it is necessary for the purpose of maintaining security or preserving the routine, administration or order in, on or about a controlled access area, the designated authority or the security guard may delay the issue of or refuse to grant a pass and may withhold or revoke a pass. 6. (1) Notwithstanding any other provision of these Regulations, where a designated authority has reasonable grounds to believe that it is necessary for the purpose of maintaining security or preserving the routine, administration or order in, on or about a controlled access area, the designated authority may prohibit any person from entering a controlled access area by notice in writing to the person specifying (a) the period for which the prohibition is in effect; and (b) the reason or reasons for the prohibition. (2) No person shall enter a controlled access area during any period that the person has been prohibited from doing so under subsection (1). 7. A pass shall be valid only for the person to whom it is granted and for the purpose, period and specific controlled access area for which it is granted. 8. Every person to whom a pass is granted, other than a person to whom a pass is granted orally, shall (a) retain it in his possession at all times while in or on the controlled access area except when required to surrender it; (b) produce it on the demand of a security guard as often as may be required while remaining in or on the controlled access area; (c) surrender it to any security guard and immediately leave the controlled access area on the demand of the security guard; and (d) surrender it in the manner provided for by the designated authority on its revocation or expiration. SOR/90-686, s. 1(F). 9. Every person shall (a) enter and exit a controlled access area only by way of an established entrance or exit or such other way as may be authorized by a designated authority; (b) comply with every direction given by or under the authority of a designated authority, including every written or printed direction contained in a pass and any written or printed notice, direction, rule, regulation or order displayed in, on or about a controlled access area; and (c) immediately leave a controlled access area on the demand of a security guard. 10. Every person found in or on a controlled access area in contravention of these Regulations may be removed therefrom by a security guard, but the security guard shall use only such force as is necessary and that removal shall be without prejudice to any other proceedings that may be taken. PART II SEARCH 11. As a condition of being given access to any defence establishment, work for defence or materiel, every person shall, on the demand of a security guard, submit to a search of his person or personal property while entering or exiting any such place or materiel or any restricted area within such place or materiel. 12. Where a person refuses to submit to a search of his person or personal property when required to do so pursuant to section 11, the person may (a) if the person is seeking entry, be denied access; or (b) if the person is exiting, have his person and his personal property searched by a security guard who shall use only such force as is necessary for that purpose. 13. Except where there are reasonable grounds to believe that an immediate search is necessary to maintain security or to prevent danger to the safety of any person, a search of a person shall be carried out only by a person of the same sex. 14. A security guard may search without warrant any personal property about a controlled access area where the security guard has reasonable grounds to believe that the personal property is or may contain anything that is likely to endanger the safety of any person within the controlled access area. PART III SAFETY AND CONDUCT OF PERSONS 15. No person shall break down, damage, weaken or destroy any gate, fence, post, barrier, building or structure in or on a controlled access area. 16. No person shall remove, obliterate, deface or destroy any written or printed sign, notice, direction, rule, regulation or order that is posted, attached or affixed to or on any gate, fence, post, barrier, building or structure in or on a controlled access area. 17. Except with the prior consent of a designated authority, no person shall attach or affix anything to or on any gate, fence, post, barrier, building or structure in or on a controlled access area. 18. No person shall cause or participate in any disturbance while in, on or about a controlled access area. 19. Except with the prior consent of a designated authority, no person shall convey or cause to be conveyed alcoholic beverages into, within or from a controlled access area. 20. No person shall be in an intoxicated condition in or on a controlled access area. 21. Except with the prior consent of a designated authority, no person shall bring into or have on any controlled access area any photographic equipment or any recording or transmitting device[\quote] bill c-55
so yes, you can indeed be searched....just look at the big signs at the gates to your local armoury stating thus. I was meaning the nasty use of force the same way you are, if your breaking shit and refuse to stop, except something unpleasant. and remember, no one but the MP's have a non lethal force option. its just a little heads up that you may wish to be a) more careful and b) comply with whoever is telling to do whatever. and its not rare that a trooper is appointed a peace officer, IIRC, any member assigned to a security duty is automatically appointed as such, for the duration of the time their primary duty is security. and cameras and such are a bad idea... |
Posted by C-GXFA If I were caught climbing into an abandonned airplane sitting in a field and I was caught by a very angry security guard. All I would have to do would be to pay a $65 fine? The airplane has a sign on it saying no trespassing (by order of ministry of transportation). |
Posted by Capt Canada I'd be cautious around an airport. If its some ghetto airport like Markham Airport, whatever. But you don't want to caught on the wrong side of the fence around any airport that screens passengers. Mind you I've found a very simple way to get into terminal one at Pearson, with out going through security, or going through any locked doors or prohibited areas. Now I meet my friends at the Gate when I pick them up. |
Posted by rz350 ^ yeah, be careful with airports, esp serious ones/ones that can take heavies. if its just a old plane in a yard that isn't an airport? then I guess the worst you can get is arrest and $65.00 |
Deemed arrest (3) A police officer to whom the custody of a person is given under subsection (2) shall be deemed to have arrested the person for the purposes of the provisions of the Provincial Offences Act applying to his or her release or continued detention and bail. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 9 (3). Arrest without warrant off premises 10. Where a police officer believes on reasonable and probable grounds that a person has been in contravention of section 2 and has made fresh departure from the premises, and the person refuses to give his or her name and address, or there are reasonable and probable grounds to believe that the name or address given is false, the police officer may arrest the person without warrant. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 10. and it can be more then 75 bucks Damage award 12. (1) Where a person is convicted of an offence under section 2, and a person has suffered damage caused by the person convicted during the commission of the offence, the court shall, on the request of the prosecutor and with the consent of the person who suffered the damage, determine the damages and shall make a judgment for damages against the person convicted in favour of the person who suffered the damage, but no judgment shall be for an amount in excess of $1,000. R.S.O. 1990, c. T.21, s. 12 (1). |
public works protection Powers of guard or peace officer 3.A guard or peace officer, (a) may require any person entering or attempting to enter any public work or any approach thereto to furnish his or her name and address, to identify himself or herself and to state the purpose for which he or she desires to enter the public work, in writing or otherwise; (b) may search, without warrant, any person entering or attempting to enter a public work or a vehicle in the charge or under the control of any such person or which has recently been or is suspected of having been in the charge or under the control of any such person or in which any such person is a passenger; and (c) may refuse permission to any person to enter a public work and use such force as is necessary to prevent any such person from so entering. R.S.O. 1990, c. P.55, s. 3. Statement under oath to be conclusive evidence 4.For the purposes of this Act, the statement under oath of an officer or employee of the government, board, commission, municipal or other corporation or other person owning, operating or having control of a public work, as to the boundaries of the public work is conclusive evidence thereof. R.S.O. 1990, c. P.55, s. 4. Refusal to obey guard, etc. 5.(1)Every person who neglects or refuses to comply with a request or direction made under this Act by a guard or peace officer, and every person found upon a public work or any approach thereto without lawful authority, the proof whereof lies on him or her, is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $500 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than two months, or to both. Arrest (2)A guard or peace officer may arrest, without warrant, any person who neglects or refuses to comply with a request or direction of a guard or peace officer, or who is found upon or attempting to enter a public work without lawful authority. R.S.O. 1990, c. P.55, s. 5. |
Posted by abandoned-echoes what do the laws say about security guards carrying guns while on the job? How legal/illegal is that? And what if, say, it's a pellet gun that looks like a revolver, but the security guard tells you "You're lucky I didn't have my .38 on me tonight" and continues to insinuate that he in fact would have no problem shooting you in the back with a pellet gun if you had tried to run from him.... *ahem* hypothetically speaking, of course. |
Posted by exkalibur Here in Ontario, security guards can carry a firearm (Glock 22 in my case) for a couple of specific purposes. They have to be engaged in the protection of money or negotiable goods. Examples of this include cash escorts (think Brinks), guarding valuable items (think a jewlery store), escorting negotiable items (think TTC fare tickets), and in some rare cases, protecting vulnerable VIPs (the CEO of Atomic Energy, for example, has an armed officer with him). |
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