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KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 2 on 4/24/2005 6:20 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | BlackDog. Interesting. I've seen a couple of these bunkers. I'd heard something about CFB Esquimalt tunnels. Seems reasonable given that it was a major military base during WWII. As for Victoria, I've heard stories that tunnel entrances are located throughout the city, and some of these are to be found in old abandoned buildings. Three of these are owned by the same woman (a bit crazy after all these years, so the story goes). Apparently, her husband was a major developer during the early years of the last century. He was denied a business licence by the city, and so decided to spite council by leaving the buildings to his wife with strict instructions that they remain boarded up and inaccessible after his death. That was over 50 years ago, and everyone I know who has grown up in Victoria says that the buildings have been sealed for as long as they can remember. They are beautiful structures and are of great historical significance, but alas... Also, it has been rumoured that other entrances, when plotted on a city grid, comprise the points of geometric patterns...pentangles, etc. Very curious, given Victoria's legendary status as being home to the largest concentration of Wiccans and Satanists in North America (not to suggest that Wiccans are Satanists). Market Square, one of Victoria's oldest centers, has some puzzling entrances to something that go somewhere, but these are bricked over. These lead directly under Pandora and Johnston Streets respectively. As these buildings were constructed during the heyday (Goldrush days) by miners and stonecutters, etc. it seems reasonable that tunnels may have been part of the original design. Thanks again for the info, BlackDog. Let me know when you plan to come over to Victoria. KublaKhan.
| "The truth is knowable. But probably not, ever, incontrovertible." --Don DeLillo PICS |
| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 5 on 5/2/2005 10:07 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Excellent idea, BlackDog. I am familiar with 'cold ones' and I even know a place (or two) where these 'cold ones' may be had. My latest information has opened up a new level of secrets, or at least has explained one or two things. Street levels have changed over the years, with Johnston Street having been raised at least a full story, which is to say that the original street level is about one story below where it is now. So whatever storefronts, windows, doors, etc were there, these are all under ground. Also, there's a place a few block up from the water, near Quadra/Vancouver Street(s) where there appears to be something of a sinkhole. Johnston Street was, at one time long ago, a ravine, and has since been filled in. I guess the city engineers back then neglected to include the possibility that the fill would settle, so now the street is sinking. It is alleged that this sinkhole, or rather the ravine, has some form of wall/ceiling structure, which would make it (for all intents and purposes) a tunnel. I have learned also that the entrances I outlined in my first post (see above) around Market Square that extend under Pandora and Johnstone Streets respectively, are coal shoots that begin at water's edge and extend up the streets to the original Market Square buildings. These entrances are storage bins for coal and other goods that arrived in the city by ship about 100 years ago. Apparently, there are still rail cars...flatbeds...that were used to haul coal etc. up from the shoreline to the bins. Now, none of this addresses another story I heard recently. There is a major network of tunnels that connects the Ross Bay Cemetary to the city center. This is likely false (who cares?) and is most likely related to a story published in a book titled Michelle Remembers, in which a woman claims to have been abducted as a child and forced into participating in satanic rituals. A few old crypts in this cemetary certainly do look like those old Batman cave type entrances (turn a lever and a door opens/floor opens to reveal a staircase that connects to tunnels, ritual chambers, etc.). One person I spoke with swears that she's seen people disappear into one of these crypts. Whatever the case, the stories are numerous and are likely to prove more interesting than any 'fact' related to them.
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| "The truth is knowable. But probably not, ever, incontrovertible." --Don DeLillo PICS |
| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 8 on 5/9/2005 5:38 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Great. But as for 'detrimental to someone else,' there's always the chance that I may ('scuze me...my 'building inspector') may end up getting cornered or some such. If that's the case, I'll have to think fast to make an escape, and this might mean plowing through some meaty construction-worker types. it's not that I pose some kind of risk or threat to such types, but getting out is getting out, and at whatever cost lest I end up getting busted, which would be bad. Thanks for the tip, Jester
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| "The truth is knowable. But probably not, ever, incontrovertible." --Don DeLillo PICS |
| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 12 on 5/9/2005 8:21 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by maply many many rumors about these tunnels, and they are the reason i got into UE. there are two open entrances that i know for a fact are easily accessable, but one requires a raft. as far as closed entrances go, there is one underneath the clothing store, The Patch, and apparently the bolted door underneath the budget car rental place (fairfield and douglas i think) is also an entrance.
| You are awesome. We should hook up to discuss these.
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| "The truth is knowable. But probably not, ever, incontrovertible." --Don DeLillo PICS |
| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 13 on 5/9/2005 9:00 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | What about the rumour that the entrances make up plot-points for such things as pentagrams and other esoteric symbols? I've also heard that there's a super secret elite society a lá Eyes Wide Shut-type orgy chambers, and that the tunnels lead to these. This sounds totally improbable, but it's part of the larger story. Then there's the newly exposed building next to the old parking lot besides Swans Hotel. Apparently, this building is used as a squat and shooting gallery (beware of contaminated hypodermics!!! wear steel-toed boots) is filled with secret escape holes. The building is very old...one of the city's earliest brick structures, and that some of the walls have false doors or hidden doors that lead to escape routes that connect to other parts of the building. I met a guy who's been in this building (only during the daylight hours as the place scares this shit out of him at night) and he might be willing to lead an expedition through the parts with which he is familiar. HEY JESTER...as the leading or at least one of the leading UE in the Lower Mainland, would you be interested in checking these places out?
| "The truth is knowable. But probably not, ever, incontrovertible." --Don DeLillo PICS |
| KublaKhan
Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Total Likes: 207 likes
With Satan, it's always gimmie, gimmie.
| | | Re: Under the Garden City: Victoria B.C. secret tunnels. < Reply # 16 on 5/11/2005 5:54 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I was poking around one of the older boarded-up buildings down near the water the other day and discovered a group of meth-heads getting high. One of them, a twitchy fellow named Rusty, told me that getting into the building isn't a problem and that he's been inside dozens of times. Then he said he'd never been inside. Then he asked me if I was a cop. I told him no. Then he said he'd been inside dozens of times. I guess it's a bit of a shooting gallery for the city's addicts...or at least some of them. Sure enough, there are many many contaminated hypodermic needles laying around. It's a bit of a mine field. Steel-toed boots are an absolute must for this gig. Further inspection revealed that some of these hypos end up stuck in the little holes in the mortar between the bricks. It's an interesting effect. Next time, I'll get some pictures and post them. Some guy told me that the woman who owns the building is a loony old dame holed up in an exclusive rest home somewhere up-island, and that she once called him to ask for 'gigalo services.' This guy told me that the building has an opening in the basement or in some lower level, and that it leads into a series of tunnels that connect and blah blah blah. He's been in them, and he said that if I buy him a sandwich sometime, he's ready to take me through the whole system. Imagine that: the price of entry is the cost of a sandwich.
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