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| | | Re: Freefallin'... Hellholes are Real < Reply # 23 on 5/11/2016 3:37 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Getting back on the free falling issue.... you might make it out, and you may be one of the lucky ones like GS. But, let me assure you. You can't just grow a new spine. Oh, they can put your back together again with rods and screws, bone grafts and such, But, you will always hurt and you will always have problems. Your spine works with your brain as the control center of your entire body, The recovery is very LONG, tedious and frustrating... *If you Do recover*. Listen to me.....its not worth your bones and back to get that AWESOME shot. Do explore, Do have fun, Do be cautious!
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| | | Re: Freefallin'... Hellholes are Real < Reply # 25 on 5/18/2016 3:53 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Once had a hellhole directly underneath a POE. It was an half built house, and the window was next to the staircase to the basement. The workers had just tossed a thin piece of plastic the same color as the wood over the hole, and it gave under my weight when I climbed through the window. I was still holding on to the window frame, so I was able to pull myself up, but it was rather unnerving. It was only a ten foot fall down some stairs, but it was enough to drive the point home. Probably not lethal, but... people have broken their necks from less, after all.
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| | | | Re: Freefallin'... Hellholes are Real < Reply # 28 on 5/19/2016 1:52 AM > | Reply with Quote
| | | damnband posted this story in the SE Forum: http://www.uer.ca/...=1&threadid=122733 Another 40 foot free fall to oblivion. Skylights as mentioned earlier in this thread can present a special hazard on a otherwise sound roof. If they blend in with the roof such as in a corrugated metal roof with corrugated fiberglass skylight panels that are blacken by dirt or paint, they can be almost invisible. At 30+ feet there is no room for error. Walk slowly, and don't think twice about aborting it! Walking on the perimeter and on beams is generally a safer bet. On sketchy roofs and floors retrace you ingress during egress. If possible survey the roof or floor from below first. A walking stick can save your life; use to balance but also tap and probe ahead of you.
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| | | | Re: Freefallin'... Hellholes are Real < Reply # 36 on 5/20/2016 5:13 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by highwayman This thread has really been eye-opening. I need to pay a lot more attention to floor integrity when exploring.
| Falls, structural failures and collapses are the biggest hazards explorers face.Not being fully aware of your surroundings and potential dangers, which can be many is asking to be maimed or KIA. The results can be instant and traumatic. Once you are there, you're there! When climbing, as in exploring you are in full control. There is no reason to fall except your own failure. Abort a climb if you think it's too risky or not safely doable. There is no "if I fall", once in a free fall you have lost control and with it perhaps your life as you knew it. Think before you do it, and with each and every move you make. Every move counts... and a wrong one may go on your permanent record. I'll craw out on bloody broken limbs if I have to before calling for help! Calling for rescue or a body removal screws up the site for future explorers. It's to your benefit and the sites to not get whacked.
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| | | Re: Freefallin'... Hellholes are Real < Reply # 38 on 5/20/2016 6:32 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Piecat
How do you feel about climbing harnesses? I used to work at a local ISP we'd use them to climb water and cell towers. Even though I've never come close to falling myself, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
| The only catch: what are you using for an anchor, and how confident are you that it won't fail? I used to do construction as well as operations and maintenance on wind turbines. We'd climb 300-350' wearing a full body harness with deployable leg straps so if you did fall and couldn't self-recover, you'd deploy the leg straps to stand in and take the weight off your thighs to prevent suspension trauma. I can see why a climbing harness sounds like a good idea, but if you're not fully prepared to deal with the possible failure of your anchor point, or the rope getting stuck and leaving you hanging... you're still at risk of being KIA.
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| | | | Re: Freefallin'... Hellholes are Real < Reply # 39 on 5/20/2016 7:08 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by Piecat
How do you feel about climbing harnesses? I used to work at a local ISP we'd use them to climb water and cell towers. Even though I've never come close to falling myself, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
| I'm old school. I was taught how to climb a straight uncaged ladder safely long after I climbed my first high tree at 6. I don't like harnesses one bit for free climbing unless it's for rappelling or mountain climbing, etc. You fall with a harness on its not a free ride. Hanging trauma or impacts with steel can still maim or kill you. Worse where a clean fall might have left you better off than a harness ride head first into a piece of steel. Too many times I heard kids in safety harness training say 'if I fall'... falling is never an option, it's death. They aren't taught how to climb like I was and think the harness will save them. Fools. It does however protect the company from high insurance rates. A properly fitted and adjusted harness is useful if you need to tie off and work at height. Lol, I've used bosun chairs, worked on 20 inch picks, bridges, ships, tanks, and structural steel with no harness and occasionally a safety belt (lol). Each move counts, 3 points of contact always. Never climb if feeling sick. Harnesses also snag and get in the way; they can cause falls. Management only cares that you have the harness on, not that you can negotiate a climb safely. Been there, seen it! Meh, I continue to free climb safely and fall free after half a century.
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