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CowboyDan
Location: MSP Gender: Male Total Likes: 26 likes
| | | Re: guy gets stuck under pillsbury. < Reply # 21 on 8/29/2012 9:08 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | I was the one who left and called the Fire Department. The news story is pretty off, they seem to be under the impression that we were in the Pillsbury building. This is false. Where we actually were is the headrace system that runs underneath the mill. Neither of us ever set foot in the building. While inside the headrace there is a 40 ft. shaft that we descended using repelling gear. This led to an abandoned tailrace; my guess is that it was once used by the long demolished Phoenix Mill. Anyway, once we rappelled down we found ourselves in freezing, stagnant water. The system was completely sealed, deep underground and was basically a frigid subterranean aquifer. We had anticipated the water and wore life jackets, but seriously underestimated the temperature of the water. Once at the bottom, we swam to dry land and checked for an alternate exit, but couldn’t find anything. This meant that we had to swim back to the rope, attach 2 Prusik knots, one to clip to the harness, the other we tied to a piece of webbing and used as a foot rest. We both swam back to the rope and my friend double checked everything and I ascended. The water was so cold that my hands were numb for the first 10 ft. or so of ascending. The problem was that once it was my friends turn, he had been in and out of the water so many times that he was absolutely freezing and was worried that if he swam back to the rope, his hands might go numb before he could tie the knots to attach himself to the rope. And by this point he was down there by himself and if he froze up, I would be unable to help. Rather than risk doing something that could turn very quickly into a "we need to rescue him in the next 15 minutes or he is dead" situation, I decided to call the fire department. Neither of us wanted to, but sometimes, even with appropriate precautions, shit just goes wrong. And a dead explorer would certainly cause much more of a public outcry. As it stands, neither of us were charged, the news does not have either of our names, and the fire department battalion chief just told to "explore in St. Paul from now on". All things considered, I apologize if this turns into increased security, or sealed entry points, but I don’t regret my decision to call.
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| PooYo
Location: Midwest Gender: Male Total Likes: 3 likes
| | | Re: guy gets stuck under pillsbury. < Reply # 22 on 8/29/2012 10:15 PM > | Reply with Quote
| | | Posted by CowboyDan I was the one who left and called the Fire Department. The news story is pretty off, they seem to be under the impression that we were in the Pillsbury building. This is false. Where we actually were is the headrace system that runs underneath the mill. Neither of us ever set foot in the building. While inside the headrace there is a 40 ft. shaft that we descended using repelling gear. This led to an abandoned tailrace; my guess is that it was once used by the long demolished Phoenix Mill. Anyway, once we rappelled down we found ourselves in freezing, stagnant water. The system was completely sealed, deep underground and was basically a frigid subterranean aquifer. We had anticipated the water and wore life jackets, but seriously underestimated the temperature of the water. Once at the bottom, we swam to dry land and checked for an alternate exit, but couldn’t find anything. This meant that we had to swim back to the rope, attach 2 Prusik knots, one to clip to the harness, the other we tied to a piece of webbing and used as a foot rest. We both swam back to the rope and my friend double checked everything and I ascended. The water was so cold that my hands were numb for the first 10 ft. or so of ascending. The problem was that once it was my friends turn, he had been in and out of the water so many times that he was absolutely freezing and was worried that if he swam back to the rope, his hands might go numb before he could tie the knots to attach himself to the rope. And by this point he was down there by himself and if he froze up, I would be unable to help. Rather than risk doing something that could turn very quickly into a "we need to rescue him in the next 15 minutes or he is dead" situation, I decided to call the fire department. Neither of us wanted to, but sometimes, even with appropriate precautions, shit just goes wrong. And a dead explorer would certainly cause much more of a public outcry. As it stands, neither of us were charged, the news does not have either of our names, and the fire department battalion chief just told to "explore in St. Paul from now on". All things considered, I apologize if this turns into increased security, or sealed entry points, but I don’t regret my decision to call.
| Wow, come on guy! in the headrace where you were there is a 40 ft aluminum extension ladder. You could have condensed that and sent it down for the other two ppl. Or you could have just used that to get down there in the first place. OR.. You could have waited just a little longer for your uer registration to go through and asked one of the local explorers if it is worth going down there.. Plenty of ppl could have given you good info. Anyway you look at it, things could have been done different....
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